I love Saints fans tbh. I think their just hoping we play like that against them in the next few weeks to avoid the inevitable Wigan v Wire final!

My thoughts exactly. You won't see Maguire defending him when he goes up against the disciplinary panel.

What sort of ban does this offence carry?

His season over (minimum 4 game ban I think), blessing in disguise for you.

Care to expand on that or are you condoning the thugs behaviour too?

Quote ="So Grose but So Good"Here: www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480'" Thank you beat me to.it. I'll wait the apologies. The guy is a bad example to aspiring rugby league players and coaches.

Quote ="So Grose but So Good"Here: www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... ml&BID=480'" Thank you beat me to.it. I'll wait the apologies. The guy is a bad example to aspiring rugby league players and coaches.

He had a better view of the big screen than I did, but I could quite clearly see the incident after the first replay!!!!

Yeah from my posts so far on the matter you can clearly see I am condoning his behaviour. Answer this question...

Do you honestly think Maguire tells his players to go out there and gouge opposition players eyes out?

No, I don't. But I do think he employs a win at all costs attitude which can be dangerous when thugs like Hock get ideas in their head.

My point was the fact that he said there was nothing in a clear eye gouge is disgraceful. The most despicable act you can perform on a rugby field after assaulting an official.

GMR said that gouging carriers a ban of 4-8 matches.

See above!

A bad example? Really? If winning trophies is bad then you may have a point...


I can't comment on that as I couldn't see it at all from where I was stood. Wouldn't expect him to condone or point the finger at Hock without seeing it properly, not on the big screen in the heat of the moment. I'm quite sure he will not defend Hock's actions, the same as 99% of Wigan fans, when he's seen it properly.

I hope Hock stands on a plug!

wouldnt hold your breath, this is the cheating scumbag maguire.

I'd hope from his comments that he hasn't seen the incident again as there's no way he could condone that behaviour. In fairness to him, I wasn't sat too far from Maguire and couldn't see the screen properly because of how sunny it was. It was only when I watched the match back at home that I saw the incident properly. If Hock plays again this season it will be a disgrace.

In that case all he had to say is " I can't comment on the incident until I have seen the replays"

Simples

It's nothing but utter lies if people are saying he hasn't seen it. He saw enough of it to state 'there's nothing much in it,' therefore he has seen it.

I agree with you on the fact it was disgraceful! Maguire does employ a win at all costs attitude something that has brought success to the club in the short 2 years he has been here and virtually with the same squad as Noble. I think his view will change over the coming week, if not then it certainly is very strange because that isn't the type of man Maguire is.

I think it says more about Hock and we know full well he isn't the brightest, so if he is taking that attitude then for me there is no room for him at the club.

Yes you're right. As the coach he cheats, he pays off referees and he throws games. What are you talking about?


In hindsight yes, that would have been more appropriate. The quote below does suggest Maguire probably didn't have a good view of the incident. But he would have been better not commenting at all.

Doesn't pays off refs, just sends his cronie Wane to intimidate them at HT.

Okay, I think that is a fair and concise post. I guess we'll have to see what occurs at disciplinary on Tuesday.

I hope not....gouging is very difficult to coach.

TS has in the past dropped and even transferred out players who have shown bad discipline.
Maguire has accepted a number of areas of unsportmanlike and unpleasant behaviour and has brought in/back players with significant disciplinary issues.

If my boss does not criticise my bad behaviour and accepts it when the team is winning the message is that its OK and I'll carry on until he tells me to stop or the team stops winning (I'll not draw parallels with bankers behaviour....but its not dissimilar)

As someone has pointed out (someone with sense) If Fadge hasn't seen the incident all he had to do was say so. To make a decision on the issue (which also hints towards him having seen it enough) and to say it was nothing DOES highlight his warped mentality.

If some of the idiots that have played the round ball game can learn to say they haven't seen an offside decision or a handball, then Fadge should be able to.

There is really no way to defending it. If he does a Flip Flop' (which many in the cherry and white fmaily seem to do hint: Ben cross thread) then he looks a ing idiot as well as a man with no ethics!

He also said this:

"We don't buy into the fatigue factor. They just played better on the day. Warrington built a lot of pressure and took a lot of juice out of us. Uncharacteristic things happen when you are fatigued."

Is that a huge contradiction, or have I had too much to drink?

He is saying what we did in the game today fatigued them i.e lots of sets in their half, not that they were fatigued before kickoff I think....

That's how I read it.

Gleeson has been the only player to have these issues at Wigan and we all know what happened with him. I'm struggling to think of any others to be fair so please enlighten me.

As for Hock, he is a very good RL player and if Wigan didn't take him on then there would have been a number of other clubs in SL who would have taken the risk. He had proved himself in training and his two years out that he wanted to get back into RL and you can't blame anyone for giving him a 2nd chance.

What Hock did today was inexcusable and it's a stupid thing to do after the Wigan club shown faith in him. You can't really blame Maguire for Hock's inept ability to use his brain.