From minute 20 of the first half which up to that time was fairly even, we took control and certainly at the end of the half you were out on your feet. We had soaked up your pressure and were on top at this stage of the game. We were on top again at the beginning of the second half. You are quite right in saying that we failed to put the points on that our superiority warranted. Gidley and the Westwood went off in quick succession and then Snyed kicked that 40/20. That is the moment it all went south for us, along with Steph handing you possession on a plate with another loose carry inside our 20.

You breached our line due to god awful defence on our left edge. Nothing more nothing less. I sure you would agree that apart from those two kicks to the corner that you never really threatened our line. You got close, but never looked like scoring. The game may have looked different watching from the West Stand.

Hull thoroughly deserved to win the cup this year due to beating Warrington, Wigan, Catalans and St Helens. I hope the Grand final is a repeat of this final.

Got to agree with this and your earlier post in general terms. The bottom line for me was that we needed (should have had) more points on the board when we were dominant in the earlier part of the match.

In a game of very fine margins a drop before half time, that kick going over would have made the difference and not just mathematically. A score back from 10-0 down really got your tails up, from 12 or even better 13 who knows? Not quite a consolation score but more out and out panic rugby and a bit more self belief that we could control the end game.

Ah well that's the way it goes onwards and hopefully upwards

Decent post there was nothing in the game sometimes you just need a bit of luck or the bounce of the ball this year we got that, many times down in London we haven't, that tackle at the end summed our performance up. We fought like mad for each other and took our chances and scrapped a win the grand final would be great as a repeat, all the best to you and your club 2 fine sides on show and great sets of supporters made it a classic final

To be fair, the only tries you scored were from an interception and some great broken field running by clarke. Other than that, your only other real chance came in the 78th minute. Hull went very close with another kick from sneyd that ratchford just beat michaels to. Hull created more opportunities despite your advantage in field position and posession (60-40 in the first half, but not sure on the 2nd as they didn't show it). You've really not created much in our last 2 games against each other. On saturday you broke us down the middle a few times but it never looked like you were likely to score from any of them. When you were attacking our end in the first half I never once felt like you'd score other than from the interception

2 very evenly matched sides IMO who pretty much cancel out each other's threats and we'll either meet in the first round of the play offs or at OT as we're both better than wigan or saints

Didn't Hill & Atkins get held up over the line? Seems to me that would count as a real chance to score.

I was thinking in the game when we were 10-0 up that we could really do with another score because Hull were always going to get a chance of a score late on with players getting more tired. I also now hear that Sandow has tweaked his knee, and whilst on the pitch he didn't seem to be limping, but equally he didn't take line on at the end of the game as I would expect him to.

Anyway, I think it was a good game, played in hot and steamy conditions between two pretty evenly matched sides. You can't win them all - and on another day we could have won this match. Just have to hope that the injuries picked up in this match don't cause too much disruption in the run-in to the end of the season.

A. A lack of enterprising rugby
B. An easy goal kick missed.
C. Hull scored 2 more points than us.

It really is that simple

I think we had guys held up a couple of times too, but on all occasions there was never much chance of the ball being grounded.

We had three real good chances from kicks (scored two of them). We also had Fonua's half break where Shaul knocked on, and that break from Carlos down the middle, both of which were half chances at best. Tbh it was tight as a drum, you won't see many games with so few clear cut chances, and that's what a final should be.

Couldn't be arrised reading the whole thing, so just to say the reason we lost was because we missed two conversions, one more difficult than the other, and because Ben Currie couldn't keep the ball in his hand going over the line.

Kick one of those goals and we're moaning about a replay at Uddersfield at the very least. Sport hurts.

I've not watched it all back but I thought you were held up once over the line and we were with taylor in the 2nd half. Both sides forced on drop out, both had a good chance to score which was stopped by good defending, both scored 2 tries and we kicked 2 goals to your one. It really was as even a contest as you're ever likely to get. I'm grateful we edged it

**And because Ben Currie was tackled with a phenomenal effort by Danny Houghton.

The tackle was good, nevertheless 99 times out of a 100 you would expect to score there. Especially if the ball was carried in the opposite arm to the defenders tackle.

If Currie had gone over the line his ball carrying arm was already on the ground as houghton tackled him.
A dry day it could quite possibly have got disallowed as a double movement as there wasn't any momentum

I thought that when Ben Curries momentum had stopped that half his torso was over the line.

His ball carrying arm was grounded short. He would've had to lift it to get it over the line. After checking hs arm was over the line only because he had lost the ball

Danny Houghton was clearly seen to pull Ben Currie's elbow & upper arm away from his body thus loosening the grip on the ball. Similar to the Chris Riley no try at Catalans a few years ago that lost the game that day.

I think that was the sixth time this season that we've matched or beaten the opposition on number of tries and lost. I think that only our defeats to Cas and Wakey have been through getting properly beaten. That shows our tee kicking is leaving something to be desired.

I don't know whether you saw the Cas game the previous week but Gidley was struggling to kick then ,so maybe he is injured. If so i am surprised Ratchford wasn't asked to kick at Wembley

Who was our last truly dependable kicker? Steve Hesford ? John Woods?

Seeing as a goal is worth half a try I often wonder why they are not seen to be given more importance.

Brett Hodgson.

Good shout

It doesn't seem to be a priority at the Wire. We could do with spending some money on a dependable kicker from RU.

Why RU? This isn't American football. You can't just bring players in to kick. It would take several seasons to get to grips with the switch of codes. There are plenty of young RL players who can kick, half of them never get a chance though because clubs would rather an instant fix and bring an Aussie in instead of developing a new star.

Well maybe a bit of kicking practice for our own prodigies would do nicely followed by elevation to the first team then .

Dec Patton has a very good strike ratio. One of our own 'eh?

I seem to remember, a couple of years ago, we let a very good goalkicker go over the Pennines, Ryan Shaw.

And ,maybe with a bit more practice & faith from his manager, Gaz O'Brien could have been a top kicker.