Cas have come on a lot under Craig Lingard & that was a tough match last night. We did what we had to & i thought our defence coped well when Cas had their big forwards on the pitch alongside the ever dangerous McShane.

Yep I'm surprised too. Stinks a bit of someone watching 20 minutes where he hasn't played so well & deciding he's not a good player. Yates is a very decent player.
I also see the usual bit of crap thrown at Drinkwater & Bateman. Does it make some feel better to criticise players?

Sky & video refs seem to have a system of asking for the most obscure angles to be shown then when the decision has been made a later shot of the action shows a much clearer & simpler angle.

Just wish we could do away with the video ref full stop. Taking far to long with a decision and now players staying down to get penalties to which both coaches made comment on in post match interview. Yates yellow card was wrong for me, actually saw a worse hit than that later and it was just a penalty. If you go back all though you can’t now but was a case for penalty try when Wray was scoring. I really dislike the video ref system.

I have no problem with having a video ref but think if it goes up it should just be “try, yes or no” then no undue influence from the on field ref.

For example no video ref would have meant CTW’s try chalked off.

Where is the hate on Drinkwater? He works hard but is limited as an attacking/creative threat, even if he will very occasionally do something very good and then you wonder why it is so rare.

Not sure what the 'trendy' stuff is about.

Drinkwater does hold the game well.
So often with a money ball or kick that goes without recognition.

We loose, Drinky now, and we are in trouble.

No hate on Yates either, just my opinion he ain’t a prop who makes meters, Duckie was on Vaughans case as not making meters. In my view Vaughan is one of best prop forwards in super league. Along side Thompson at Wigan. As for Drinkwater he just steadys the flow , so Williams can play what he sees in front of him.. I’ve no problem with that style of play with Drinkwater.

We already know that's not yates game, he's defensive (hard tackling) middle

Rod Tai has been the unsung hero of this season. He's defensively very sound, makes hard yards and wants to promote the ball when opportunity allows. He's been a great addition to the squad. Yates reminds me of Danny Nuttley, who was another grafter and grinder. He does the grunt well, usually, but everyone has an error or two in them. Drinkwater is another in that mould, but I just want to see more from a half back, and his kicking game isn't as good as Walker's. It really is a great advantage to have someone who has the ability to pinpoint a kick on the final play of a set of six, at Old Trafford. I don't see Drinkwater as that player. That's opinion, not hate, before I get labelled by anyone on here.

Tai has improved since the start of the season and is still improving.
He is as hard as nails and brings the ball out well.
Makes the odd defensive 'error' read.
Doesn't pass to the wing often enough or draw a defender and put his wing away, and too often takes the wrong attacking option.
Much to work on, but progress good.
He can learn a lot from Gleeson.

Ewe wouldn't be in trouble at all if we lost Drinkwater. His kicking game is bang average. All his kicks go straight to a fullback or winger. He almost never makes a break. He sometimes gives a good pass but don't ever remember him delivering any balls to anyone but the man next to him. His defence is terrible. I'll look at the stats next week but I'd bet he's got the highest ratio of missed tackles per attempt made. It's every single game I see him get shrugged off. I think we could stick ratchford or currie at 7 and we'd be in almost the same position

Agree with this. He reminds me of Tyrone Roberts, in that I can count on one hand the things he's done that deserve plaudits. Kicking a bomb on the last tackle to the same place, ad nauseum, isn't memorable. It speaks volumes that he was overshadowed and pushed out by a youngster like Leon Hayes.

DING DING DING DING

Tyrone Roberts got Wire to a Grand final and Challenge cup final.

Without being argumentative do you think he actually got us there or was in the teams that went there?

For me Tyrone is up there with Royyyyy!!! as our recent, poorest, overseas headline signings and on reflection probably a bigger disappointment as he might have had something to offer, but was fed up from Day 1 and didn't look like he wanted to be here that he rarely contributed.

Drinkwater might be limited but he doesn't seem to be a sulker even when he lost his place to Hayes.

And that is my point , and has been when this comes up every few years, people disliked him from the off, from his attitude and his comments when he reluctantly signed.

But we got to 2 finals that year, who got us there?

7 Roberts? As already discussed
6 Brown? Past his best/not good enough, and wasn't a very popular signing at the time.
1 Ratchford? Again another that has been dismissed as not good enough.

So, who got us to two finals that year?

It's OK to dislike someone based on how they are and still accept they've contributed to the side.

People have been complaining about drinkwater's kicking game again since the kr game. Kr swarmed us from start to finish rhat game, we didn't make any yardage, we were kicking off the back foot under pressure.

If you look at the entire league, I'd say drinkwaters long kicking fame is equal to about 90% of other teams, the only exceptions I'd give is sneyd(though you saw last week even he has off weeks when he's shut down and useless) and it seems mikey Lewis,

Just to say, that's not aimed at UR that's a summary opinion

Depends on where you are in the field, Mike Lewis did this repeatedly in the most recent kr game and it came off lots for them

I hope that you answered your doorbell FMC, and took delivery of Nathan Clearly.

This says so much of how the standard and quality of SL has dropped.

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No “Duckie” wasn’t!

duckie was on the case of Vaughan because of his poor discipline and his ability to find himself sidelined at the times we needed him most.
In contrast to what you said, the games that he did play, enhanced his meter making averages, because he didn’t get to dazzle against the likes of the big guns or the play offs.

Imo, he let his teammates down.
And that’s because he IS one of the games best props on the pitch..
Nobody is bigger than my club, and his poor choices cost us heavier while he was off the pitch, than when he was on it.
This season I’m not on his case, because he is making better choices.