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| Has Atkins had his hands transplant with Richie Mathers? Shocking from him. If I put a shift in work like that id be in big bother.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"looks like all those lads that said Riley needed to be dropped were spot on....
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well smith dropped him, so it certainly looks that way.
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| Can anyone actually remember when he last had a good game?
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| at this rate atkins would struggle to catch a cold.
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| i think the problem spreads further than Atkins even if he is playing terrible. You have Trent Waterhouse who isn't mobile or quick enough to play on the edges, Richie Myler he will never be a solid 1 on 1 defender and Atkins who's positional play is average at best.
i think a lot of tries will be conceded through that channel this season. Zak hardaker last try summed it up perfectly for me, Waterhouse shot out from marker and gave up when it got passed inside and then Myler and Atkins wasn't smart enough to cover the gap and zak hardaker just stepped and ran through the hole.
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| Quote ="dubairl"i think the problem spreads further than Atkins even if he is playing terrible. You have Trent Waterhouse who isn't mobile or quick enough to play on the edges, Richie Myler he will never be a solid 1 on 1 defender and Atkins who's positional play is average at best.
i think a lot of tries will be conceded through that channel this season. Zak hardaker last try summed it up perfectly for me, Waterhouse shot out from marker and gave up when it got passed inside and then Myler and Atkins wasn't smart enough to cover the gap and zak hardaker just stepped and ran through the hole.'"
Briscoe ran through a hole both Waterhouse and Atkins left wide open for his try as well. Waterhouse legged it out of the line and Atkins gave Briscoe a little tickle under the arm.
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| I am now officially an Atkins detractor. Awful, awful, awful.
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| Atkins has just tweeted about his performances being not good enough so whatever most of us think of him at least the guy is showing a bit of honesty if nothing else.
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| Big rap for that.
That still doesn't address the issue.
It just means that he too is fully aware as we are.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Atkins has just tweeted about his performances being not good enough so whatever most of us think of him at least the guy is showing a bit of honesty if nothing else.'"
If you had Grix defending on the inside of him and ratchford when he goes back in to the halves i think that would help him a lot. After a couple of errors he looked completely destroyed actually felt sorry for him when he dropped that pass cold.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Atkins has just tweeted about his performances being not good enough so whatever most of us think of him at least the guy is showing a bit of honesty if nothing else.'"
Good, well if he is lucky enough to keep his place next week then he needs to pay back tony smith big time for not taking the easy option and dropping him. He owes his team mates big time, frustratingly we know how good he was 2 years ago and just want that version of Atkins back.
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| Wow he stank tonight, simply one of the worst individual performances I've seen for a while, I think I've got more chance at playing centre next week.
Couldn't catch, couldn't defend, I actually thought he might cry, he looked absolutely shot.
Anyone noticed someone run out about 30 seconds from 2nd half kick off and chalk his hands up?
Ratchford in the centres next week, GOB played well enough to be left alone.
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| Ratchford in the centres next week, GOB played well enough to be left alone.'"
He'll be dropped next week to make way for Russell ....play well get dropped....it's the warrington way.
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| If he is then that will be one of the first times I'll be genuinely annoyed at Tony Smith, especially as GOB was 10 times better than Myler.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Wow he stank tonight, simply one of the worst individual performances I've seen for a while, I think I've got more chance at playing centre next week.
Couldn't catch, couldn't defend, I actually thought he might cry, he looked absolutely shot.
Anyone noticed someone run out about 30 seconds from 2nd half kick off and chalk his hands up?
Ratchford in the centres next week, GOB played well enough to be left alone.'"
i actually think there could be no coming back from that performance. It might have tipped him over the edge.
I hope im wrong, but i dont think we will ever see the Atkins of 2 years ago. Its been a gradual decline over the last 12 months all leading up to last night, where he imploded spectacularly.
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| Very poor performance. Riley was dropped last week when I wasn't convinced he was the one to blame. Time to drop Ryan im afraid. If Russell is back then ratch to centre.
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| I have been saying all along that Riley was being made a scapegoat for Atkins poor positional play. That showed last night with Ormsby. O'Brien outshone Myler who looks a little disinterested in taking on the line the way Burrows et al do. Forwards stood up well last night and much improved on last week. If only the backs had taken advantage.
We could have won that but for our own mistakes throughout the game.
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| Feel that Atkins needs a spell out of team to work on the basics then hopefully get back to the form he has shown previously.
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| Atkins never had the basic core skills in the first place.
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| Atkins is an interesting animal. As has been noted by others, he does appear to be a 'confidence' player and an exciting athlete to watch when in form. But he has not really excelled over the last couple of years and it will be interesting to see his error count from last night. However, TS has stuck with him over that period; he played 27 games for us last year (despite being injured for 7 games), and 32 games in 2012. So whilst I too would like to see him rested, I will not be surprised if he still takes the field against Hull.
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| Its too easy to slate Atkins - Yes, he is looking totally devoid of form and confidence at the moment, and probably does need dropping, but at least we know somewhere within him there is a decent centre.
However, what about Richie Myler?..... Now into his fifth year at the club, he has had a lot of money invested in him, mostly with the premise that he would take over from Briers as 'team leader' when he finally retired - However, what have we actually got??.... Personally, I think he is no better a player than when he first joined. He has absolutely no organisational skills, his kicking game is rotten. Overall, he is a bog-standard, average half-back, who wouldn't look out of place in London's side.
Myler is the Emperor's New Clothes of the half back world... He needs to buck up or be shipped out pretty sharpish.
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| We're only two games in to the post Briers/Hodgson/Carvell/Morley era and already a lot of questions are being asked about players that have won Challenge Cups with us and got to Grand Finals....Riley....Atkins....Myler.
I reckon most teams in SL are really all about their core four or five players and the rest of the players in each team is much of a muchness, you could swap them around from club to club without changing the league table a lot. What separates the top teams from the rest is the quality of those core four or give players.
When you take away the core players from a top side like Saints did a few years back, suddenly the rest of the players that looked formidable before, start to look ordinary. But when you do it the other way round, like Leeds did, keeping the core and swapping lots of the others, success gets maintained.
We have lost the bulk of our core (which also included Michael Monaghan who is now not the player he was) and now the other players around them don't look anything like as good, just like Meli, Flannery, Wilkin, Gardner and co didn't look as good once Cunningham, Long and Scully were not around them.
The only way we will get back up to competing for trophies again, and getting the best out of our other players, is if we replace our core with proper quality. If we're hoping for someone within the squad to 'step up' and be the new Briers or Hodgson we might end up just hoping.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"We're only two games in to the post Briers/Hodgson/Carvell/Morley era and already a lot of questions are being asked about players that have won Challenge Cups with us and got to Grand Finals....Riley....Atkins....Myler.
For a while I've had a theory that most teams in SL are really all about their core four or five players and the rest of the team is much of a muchness. What separates the top teams from the rest is the quality of those core four or give players.
When you take away the core players from a top side like Saints did a few years back, suddenly the rest of the players that looked formidable before, start to look ordinary. But when you do it the other way round, like Leeds did, keeping the core and swapping lots of the others, success gets maintained.
We have lost the bulk of our core (which also included Michael Monaghan who is now not the player he was) and now the other players around them don't look anything like as good, just like Meli, Flannery, Gardner and co didn't look as good once Cunningham, Long and Scully were not around them.
The only way we will get back up to competing for trophies again, and getting the best out of our other players, is if we replace our core with proper quality. If we're hoping that someone will 'step up' then we might be just hoping.'"
I agree with all of that - However, we spent a small fortune on Myler and so would expect him to be a bit better than what he actually is.
The fact is, if Myler had have joined Wigan instead of us, and produced the level of performance for them that he has for us, then I think most of us would be laughing and be quite relieved that we had dodged a bullet.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Myler is the Emperor's New Clothes of the half back world... He needs to buck up or be shipped out pretty sharpish.'"
Thank goodness for that, I was beginning to think it was just me. But he can tackle, don't forget.
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