What I said is that Wire will have to go through major recruitment, and they will. I didn't say this year.

On the head to head metre makers
Taking each clubs 1 - 17 (metre makers to make it simple for some)


Wigan 13 (including the top six) Wire 4 (including the bottom one)

As usual PY you take snippets of posts and try to make them into something they are not.

HTH

You said:



I now have no idea what you are on about. Its not comparing like for like players, its not comparing 1st v 1st. Its not comparing squad number v squad number.

I think all this un-rest with Hock is getting to you.

Stat's are only half the story though Mr Gallery? The reason(s) that I wouldn't want him playing for us are probably to do with the way that he handles himself on and off the pitch, the fact that he appears not to be a team player.... Westwood on the other hand enthuses our team and fans with his raw commitment and effort.

So no his 'extra' 300 metres come with a price that I wouldn't pay

and for nearly 10 years they've made excuses for him again and again and allowed him to keep on being a dick.

maybe if they'd actually let him be suspended and not keep him on tap he would've realised how close he was to losing his career, it would've given him the kick up the to sort his life out, instead they've molly coddled him to keep him onside so he wouldn't sign for anyone else.

Its not surprising whatsoever.

It is a bit petty.

It will give him a game off and let him take a rest. Tony Smith has been very shrewd in his rotating players over the last few seasons.

here are some stats on last season, just for you Rogues, seeing as you like them so much.

Westwood Carries 243, meters 1932 = 7.95 meters per carry
Hock Carries carries 331, meters 2238 = 6.76 meters per carry

Westwood - games 18, tackles 481 = 26.7 tackles per game
Hock - games 25, tackles 427 = 17.08 tackles per game

Westwood carries - 273 = 15.1 carries per game
Hock Carries - 331 = 13.2 carries per game

Does anyone else think that this headline and story wouldn't be a surprise in July...(ala Tevez and Man City....

[size=150Hock returns to Wigan[/size

Gareth Hock has made a sensational return to Wigan Warriors today after a hit and miss loan spell at Widnes. Hock, who has played only 10 times for the Vikings this season, is ready to return to the DW Stadium after being shown the exit door only eight months a go. Wigan Chairman Ian Lenegan publicly slammed Hock after the second rower was accused of turning his back on the Cherry & Whites by refusing to go to training sessions or rehab after a shoulder injury. Lenegan said "A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then and we want quality players at this club. Gareth will strengthen our bid for a league and cup double". Wigan, who play Hull FC in this weekends challenge cup semi final can call upon the service of Hock as he sat out Widnes' 4th round 78-0 thrashing by Swinton Lions meaning he isn't cup tied and is eligible to be selected. Hock will also look to help the Warriors, who are currently 5th in Super League, to a strong finish and a Grand Final push.

Can't see them being as high as 5th in july tbh.

Now add the penalties, which is how this discussion began.

someone said hock is a penalty machine, then YOU compared him to westwood and boasted about how he 'made three hundred metres more with the ball'.

I was then correcting you and showing Westwoods superiority with ball (and in defence)

But, if it makes you happy....

Westwood penalty's - 22 = 1.2 Penalty's per game

Hock penalty's - 24 = 0.96 Penalty's per game

So both players average 1 penalty per match

what was your point again?

Can't see Widnes keeping Swinton to a score that low.

Why feed the OAP troll ?

Hopefully the silly old fool will go strangely missing from this board when his team struggle this year.

Even if Hock was superior, he doesn't play for Wigan anymore

I am an appreciator of statistical analysis as anyone, but I think you may be misguided in this assistance.

Whilst penalties per game can be a reference point, I would argue penalties based on an average of tackles made would be a more accurate ratio.

...........and isn't likely to play for them again.

I'm a massive fan of stats, they allow the unintelligent to talk about the game of Rugby league as if they understand it... .......like the time Gareth Hock received a penalty for a punch on Ben Harrison.............one game one penalty in the world according to Rogues thats slightly better than Benny Westwood....

to normal people that watch the game with eyes and common sense and understanding Hock then got banned 5 matches for eye gouging.....that's not on a stat anywhere is it..........is it............

of course,you are quite correct, it wasn't very fair of me to base it on games.

so again, just for rogues, here is the error to tackle ratios of the 2 non wigan players

Westwood - Tackles 481, penalties 22 = a penalty every 21.9 tackles

Hock - Tackles 427, penalties 24 = a penalty every 17.8 tackles.

So..... i think the conclusion we can draw from this is that Chris Bridge should have been sent off against Huddersfield.

wigan fans dick measuring before a ball has been kicked, impressive.

Twist the facts as much as you like, Hock went through two whole years without conceding a single penalty or missing a single tackle.

And dont forget before that 2 year spell he was the best line snort I mean breaker in shuper league!

Friday 16th August. Just finished work, first train to Warrington. Going to be bouncing. We probably won't win but I don't think this year will be as easy as last year for you against us.

Why's that?

Because they've signed Hock and Brown

Just won't

Are you sure you can better an aggregate score of 166-30?