I still can’t understand how that try wasn’t double movement? The tackle was complete. Ball carrying arm hit the deck?

It WAS for a double movement. The VR came very close to giving it because for some reason the clown was looking for a knock on. You actually hear somebody say quietly that it needs to be checked for double movement and then he finally does and it gets ruled out.

I’m also disappointed that I didn’t get to see a quality game of RL which I was expecting….us more at fault than Wigan obviously. Saw a twitter post that summed it up Wigan 5/10 Wire 2/10 and Officials 1/10, pretty much spot on.

Won't let me quote but regarding Boss Hog's post, exactly the same thing happened in reverse during last week's game. Field picked the ball up with open space and the ref brought it back but then gave "no try".

I hope one of the "learnings" will be not to rest a team so extensively before a final

Never felt like we were in the game. There was a clear gulf in standards and Wigan are a well drilled and professional team who wasn't going to be broken down easily. We didn't offer enough to threaten their defence and we made too many errors which let them off the hook and meant we didn't put them under enough pressure to unsettle them.

Still, given where I thought we'd be at the start of the season (a mid table team which was very ordinary in terms of calibre of squad) we are ahead of schedule and I didn't expect Sam Burgess to have us in a Cup Final so soon.

Wigan have definitely got it right in terms of having a culture of building sustained success. This isn't the Maurice Lindsay Wigan of just buying up all the superstars and winning through having world class players in every position. Under Wane and now Peet they have been very good at bringing through local talent and supplementing them with good signings of players who aren't galacticos but have the right attitude and approach. They are always better than the sum of their parts. They play these big games like they play most games, they have a clear plan and are never overawed. Even their young players are well capable of handling big games.

Good post. Hadn't their try scoring centre just played a handful of 1st team games?

I'm not buying the "12 men have not played in a final" argument. We had GF winners out there and CC final winners. The same team beat St Helens away. The mentality under pressure is still not resolved nor is the ability to change a game when it's falling apart. Was a thoroughly crap day out and the atmosphere was poor. Take nothing away from Wigan who, in truth, were not pushed very hard.

But we have improved on 2023. Lets see how they respond. 4 very winnable games up next then Wigan and Saints.

How many plays came to nothing & errors made by our lads losing their footing ? I think we need to be working on the boots the team are wearing. We had plays coming to nothing with wayward passes either missing their target or going into touch. We had George Williams forcing short hospital passes onto forwards when maybe just keeping possession would have been better . We had a few occasions where ball carriers had opened up gaps & were looking for support but there was none. Matty Ashton ,usually Mr Reliable will be haunted by his errors for the rest of his life.
Ironically ,with 20 minutes to go we started to make improvements to handling of the game with front foot rugby. If we'd done that from the start the result may have been different. Plenty of ifs & buts but if you don't turn up with your best game in a final you don't get the victor's spoils.
Hopefully, the team will collectively learn from their disappointment.

Been already said, too many players slipping over and too many errors. That was the main issue as to why we never looked like winning that game. The other thing was our sixth tackle play, it took over an over to get a grubber behind their goal line and earn a drop out, which was very reflective of our poor execution on the day.

Disappointing, were better than what we showed.

Think he's played 5 games if I'm correct

I've not had a chance to replay the full match but it was clear we were 2nd best in most - if not all - areas.
And again penalties/basic mistakes were a telling factor. Allegedly 9 in the 1st half. You're up against it with that number. It didn't allow us to build pressure as we were more often than not coming out of our own 10.
Ashtons dropped ball led to their first try and Bullocks penalty the 2nd.

Wigan targetted King and his ability to turn quickly - hence the 1st try, but Wigans kick execution was perfect and I think most centres would have struggled against that.

Regarding Wigans' 'drilling' - because they have a great youth pipeline they have had not months, but years, of being drilled. Hence when the likes of Eckersley step up they are - more often than not - ready.

Really frustrating and disappointing as Wigan didn't really have to do THAT much.

I hate to say it but the Wembley experience isn't as good as it used to be. That's nothing to do with the result or the quality of the games.
65k for the day with 2 of the better supported teams but masses of empty seats in the top tier and a fair few elsewhere....... whereas there were 85k at Twickenham for their final. (Can League learn anything??).
I'd really want the CCF to stay at Wembley but it has to be near capacity.

Done the full rewatch, the few things that i saw second time around.
Our initial starts to the halves werent as bad as I thought. The sIn bins were poor decisions.
How much I wished that Tai intercept had stuck.
The 1st Wigun try was onside, brilliant bit of timinig and skill.
Once we went behind we forced it too much and as others had said that rain shower before kick off left the surface greasy didn't realise how many times we slipped.
Not sure Fitzgibbon or Crowther were right for the game Holroyd should have been in.
Kendall really didn't seem to like Matt Dufty.

Scramble and effort was there.

Sick of losing finals to Wigun, but feel we can beat them.

Need a response against Salford , a measured and clinical one not a panicky pressured one.

On Wembley experience I enjoyed most apart from the result,

I think the history etc keep at Wembley and the question of where else for me going to venues sub 70k to make them appear full is crazy.

What we need is a settled date and venue, get it back to being a tradition. Yes GF and magic weekend have diluted things but it's still has some magic for me.

One thing I did find a little funny was how many Wiguners didn't stay to see their team lift the trophy. I always stay to the end but after full time I wanted to be off just didn't expect so many Wiguners on the tube at the same time, if Wire had pulled it off I'd have stayed.

What was frustrating to watch wasn’t how we struggled to contain Field and French, even though they did terrify us whenever they had the ball. What was most concerning was the difference in ruck speed. Even when we found our feet after 60 minutes or so, they were calmer and more efficient in the ruck. We didn’t find a way to speed our play the ball up often enough. When we did though, we found little pockets of room.

We were desperate to get out in front early. On the back of a sin bin, we go wide to Tai and make a break, get in their territory and instead of keeping the ball and making them pay while being down to 12, we give it to the winger, who was never going to score, and turn it over and end up with a yellow ourselves.

That 10 minutes should have seen us bring the ball back to the middle, work the middle over and over and over and over and roll it in the in goal. We took nothing out of their tank, at all, despite losing a starting prop.

It was frustrating to watch. We really needed a momentum shift off the bench, but the subs came on in the wrong order in my opinion. Musgrove didn’t make it on until the second half, Bullock made some decent yards but costs more in penalties, and Crowther is all effort but didn’t do enough to change the momentum.

Wigan played finals rugby, deserved the win. But still, we stayed in the fight.

I think Wire's lack of final experience was a big factor to be honest. Thinking back to Peet's first final against Huddersfield, we had a few players (Bateman, Farrell, Leuluai, Singleton) who had experience of winning big finals but most didn't. We ended up winning, but our performance was less than brilliant and we could've very, very easily lost that game. Had we played a better team than Hudds, we probably would've done.

I think Wire will bounce back pretty well until the end of the season and there's a better than decent chance that the GF will be a rematch. If it is, I'd be amazed if Wire don't turn in a much stronger performance.

One thing that did surprise me a bit was the age of your team though. Obviously it's far away from being an old squad, but I had it in my head that there were more youngsters in there than is actually the case. You'd probably only put Thewlis and Nicholson in that category.

As a team probably the worst they have played, but only 10 points in it. The only positive to take away from it. Wayward passes in silly areas and too many unforced errors. No player goes out there to make errors, just wasn’t Warringtons day, got no complaints about the result. One thing that I did notice was the crossing that wasn’t pulled by Kendall. But hopefully more finals to come.

I'm not encouraged by the score line as I think Wigan took the foot off the gas in attack and defended their lead. They were/are miles better than us. I didn't expect us to win but I thought I would see a good contest in a great atmosphere. I got neither, that is what I am most disappointed about. We are on the path to getting better but until we get an on field influence who can steady the ship when the going gets tough we are always going to struggle.

It was our experienced players who :

1. Passed into touch / passed to Ashton 2 foot above his head.
2. Grubber kicked on 2nd tackle when we were in their 10m.
3. Shot out of the line to nail French and miss.
4. Failed to effect any type of kicking game
5. Gave stupid high tackle penalty away leading to Wigan try.


Without naming them, those players have all been in finals before.

A lot of truth in this mate. Wigan definitely made a conscious decision to defend the lead as could be seen by the substitutions. Taking Mago off at half time and him not returning, especially when he was clearly making inroads into the Wire line, was a statement of intent. Defending a lead is something we've done many times before including last year's Grand Final. This team is very comfortable doing that. It's also worth noting that, although defensively superb, we weren't at our best in attack and probably played the "game in front of us" so to speak.

However, I think Warrington are a better team than they showed on Saturday and will probably offer the biggest threat going forward. Much was made by your guys of being on a journey and I think that's true. Compare and contrast to this time last year. The progress is there for all to see.

The kicking game was crap and in truth has been all season. It's a weak point for our team.

I’m permanently incredulous about how professional rugby league halves (especially those allegedly brilliant at kicking) cannot find open space with a kick. Our long kicking is extremely poor and we don’t have a plan B of even a decent bomb - which again I find very hard to believe a pro rugby player can’t execute 9/10. Sneyd will give us a masterclass on Friday.

There are very few good kickers in the game in the UK. I genuinely think out best long distance kick option is Danny Walker. Drinkwater seems to stand really flat but still when kicking, and is quite easy to apply pressure to him. And Williams long kicking game is and always has been limited.

Our best hope, without being flippant, is to not rely on a long kick. Until Ashton dropped that bomb, we were doing ok for field position. He should catch that on his 20 and with only Miski actually chasing with intent, we could have started our set on the 30 line. Even with Wigan’s defence we would be kicking from opposition territory. It’s the errors that killed us, and the penalties.

I’m frustrated why we feel we’re too good for a kick to the corner though. I know late on we did it, but in the first half we had chances to kick to King but didn’t, I think we even got caught on the last rather than opting for it. I know it’s boring, but it’s limited risk. The worst that can happen is a 20m restart, but the kickers just need to drop it short of the line and that problem is solved.

It’s a combination of things for me that go wrong when we lose the monument. The panic was palpable. The pass from Williams on our own line on 38 minutes in tackle one tells that story. If we were in front by 50, he doesn’t play that pass. If we’re in front by 1, he doesn’t play it. So why when we’re down by 10 with 42 minutes to go would you? It’s a desperation to change the game, rather than trusting the process and getting back to the things we had been doing well.

Congratulations to Wigan. They deserved the win.
That game reminded me of when we played Catalan at home a couple of months ago. We looked a bit shocked at the start of the game by the opposition line speed and discipline in defence. What has worked against Hull FC, London, Huddersfield etc was not going to work.
In that game against Catalan we had to create a number of repeat sets to wear their defence down. Their three-quarters were a handful returning the ball that meant that Abdul could kick without any pressure and place the ball exactly where he wanted. Wigan did exactly the same. The kick pressure we have seen in most of the games this year was just not quite at the same level and the cycle of Marshall, miski returning the ball and by tackle 3 Wigan were in our half.

Wigan applied a lot of pressure out wide in the knowledge that we were going to try and go round them, we then became frightened to shift the ball in case we got bundled into touch. We just didn't have any answers
Hopefully Gleeson etc will have a better plan for next time.

I don’t think that the wayward passes were the biggest problem the real issue is the Wigan pack was dominant which resulted in Wire trying to play round them. Defensively Wigan produced their A game, offensively I would say there is plenty of improvement. Wire have definitely taken a big step forward and they need to build on the foundations that Burgess has put down by integrating their juniors and recruiting better.

Our pack is not consistently good enough against the bigger packs. We were completely and utterly dominated in the middle on Saturday, it wasn't even a contest. I fear we are not recruiting for props any more as the vox populi seems to be "we have plenty". But Burgess is well placed to assess.

Yep we need a new dominant big powerful front row,
Cos Saturdays front row are only bench quality against the top teams