That's the problem. You haven't argued your case at all. you've just listed a series of names. If Wilkin played at Wigan you would be raving about him.

Carl Ablett - I cant be the only one who hates him, and think he's terrible can I?
Ian Kirke - Never has a bigger man since the might of Warren Stevens mastered the art of making minus yards in each tackle.

Did either of Anthony Farrell or Darren Fleary ever win anything with Leeds? Shameful if so.

Kirke is average. A big unit and if he punched his weight he'd do damage, but he just seems to lack that edge.

Ablett is decent, not good, but he does a job in a squad. Similar to Hansen with us.

I dont mind Hansen these days, ever since Morley destroyed him and he had the balls to get up and play on.

I doubt any 'average' player could now forge a career in SL. Stupid thread.

I think Hansens a good player. But at the same time he wouldn't get in the side ahead of Hoffman/Tomkins/Farrell. He's a workhorse and everyone needs one.

paul wood

Any of those 4, in fact, average is praising some of them

Farrell and Fleary were merely cheapshot merchants, one of whom got "owned" by that waste of space (in a Wire jersey) Andrew Gee

Briers.




According to the narrow minded.

Goes missing and off suspiciously injured every time the going gets tough briers? Yes he is average.

Vila Matautia, Stephen Holgate, Danny Moore to name but a few

Briers average? I've heard it all now.

He is a supremely gifted halfback, and if there were more "average" players like him then RL would be a lot more watchable than it is currently.

If you were going to pick one player from our trophy winning sides it would have to be Jon Clarke.

Is this the same Lee Briers, that when he faced up to the Australian Adonis that was Trout Barrett, he had him in his top pocket, both times they played each other. Going missing when the going gets tough? Yeah, sure

you mean the briers when he played for wales singlehandedly ripped australia apart?

Going a bit further back, Danny Arnold.

It's alright lads. This fella knows nothing about RL. Other famous posts include:





Prior to the 2009 Challenge Cup Final.

dial-a-moron

Don't understand people saying Joel Tomkins - a very destructive player with time on his side. He's far from average.

Needs to improve his discipline though.

Yes he is more like 'above average'. Daft set of comments on this thread.

Agreed, he is a very good player, but can easily be a penalty machine. I also can't understand why some people don't rate John Wilkin, superb player in several positions, and one you'd want alongside you rather than against you.

As stated earlier, It's an opinion. Not right, not wrong. Just an opinion.

Another stalker, awesome, another wire as well. Two of those were reasonable, the other just silly looking back; good to know you're checking up though



Oh if I were a troll, what's that 4, 5 bites from one post?

One last thing though, briers is definitely average and is definitely first off when the going gets tough.

Just out of curiosity, which one of those do you deem true? As they are all wrong.

I think this debate needs a little bit of evidence.

When has Lee Briers gone missing?

Lord Tony has provided a very good example of a time when he didn't go missing when it was tough.

You seem to be taking great delight in attempting to be a troll.

Is it worth carrying on the debate?