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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"Well said mate. I'm sure the thousands of homeless sleeping on the streets in sub-zero termperatures tonight would put corona pretty low down on their list of concerns.'"
I would think coronavirus would worry a lot of them, as they are a group at high risk and will have little access to medical support.
Also while it seems cool to scoff at stuff like this, and say "its all a fuss over nothing", remember people can hear you who are in the at risk group or have close relatives who are in the at risk group. If you have elderly relatives suffering from critical illnesses, or young children with health issues then coronavirus presents a serious mortality risk, so a lot of people who appear to be "panic buying" or overreacting, are just worried that they are going to end up getting ill and passing it on to a relative to whom it would be very dangerous. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I'd imagine the players would have to self isolate if they were around anyone who got it.'"
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| Quote ="ninearches"Seeing as we have such as schools & offices being shut down because of coronavirus ,i was wondering what happens with aircraft when we travel....are they disinfected on every turn round when passengers have disembarked or are they just left to be mobile virus incubators ?'"
I doubt it, landed in teneriffe yesterday with jet2, one of the stewardesses told me they have 10 minutes beween the plane emptying and the next passegeres getting on to clean the cabin before the next passengers board, they have just under an hour to refuel, load and unload, get the passengers on and clean the plane between flights |
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Fatality rate'll stay relatively low for as long as the worst cases can be given proper medical care. However, the virus is very transmissible so if numbers climb rapidly that won't be possible. Hence all the efforts to manage the spread. If such a point is reached, it'll be no picnic for those left on their own to care for a loved one who's fading away, drowning in their own juices or rotten with sepsis. Of course it may not come to this though that might well depend on how rigorously the control methods can be applied. I don't normally get terrifically excited about media fuelled disasters but in this instance I think I'll choose to be sensible and go with the precautionary principle.
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There is something uncomfortable about the "hysteria" concerning this virus...
California declared a state of emergency after one elderly man with underlying health conditions died from the virus.
Yet someone will march into a school with an automatic weapon and shoot multiple kids and nothing happens......
Its a strange world...
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The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.'"
......... especially if your old gran happens to be having a kip on the sofa.
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| Quote ="Redvee69"I doubt it, landed in teneriffe yesterday with jet2, one of the stewardesses told me they have 10 minutes beween the plane emptying and the next passegeres getting on to clean the cabin before the next passengers board, they have just under an hour to refuel, load and unload, get the passengers on and clean the plane between flights'"
Funnily enough I was looking through some studies on t'internet and came across one that looked at where the highest level of bacteria was found. I would have guessed the toilet, but no, it was on that little folding tray that you use to have your snack on.
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Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"Two confirmed cases now in Wigan
[urlhttps://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18284145.two-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-wigan/[/url'"
I bet that's put a dampener on National Pie Week.
https://pieminister.co.uk/category/even ... -pie-week/
Stronger gravy is the answer.
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Quote ="ComeOnYouWolves"Two confirmed cases now in Wigan
[urlhttps://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18284145.two-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-wigan/[/url'"
I bet that's put a dampener on National Pie Week.
https://pieminister.co.uk/category/even ... -pie-week/
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.'"
I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
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Quote ="The Railwayman"I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
as this new bright shiny virus'"
They usually do run stories about flu every year, eg: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... inter.html
Most of the media is privately owned so its incentives are to get people to buy a newspaper, click on a website or watch a channel. It's not there to provide measured analysis of risk. The tabloid-style media sources try to balance pandering to their target audience with content that agrees with them whilst also dropping in stuff that makes them concerned enough to want to consume it. They will run stories saying 'climate change is a myth' but at the same time, hype up short-term weather forecasts so you always get these stories of the 'big freeze' coming in the next few months, with much of the UK to be encased in snow and ice.
You've had the same with coronavirus, with tabloids running commentary pieces saying "we're British, this is just a fuss over nothing" but in the same papers, reporting URGENT SHORTAGES of everything. Their typical reader will sit around discussing it over their bacon sarnies at lunch and agree that everyone has gone crazy and they won't be getting stressed about some virus, but then text their missus to get her to pick up toilet paper on the way home just in case.
With the broadsheets its a different approach but similar result. They will have some 'keep calm and carry on' commentary, but they will also have some political commentary along the lines of 'austerity has pushed the NHS to the brink, now coronavirus will push it to collapse'. So their typical reader will pick that up over their matcha latte and then text their partner to say they'll be late because they need to stock up on Waitrose hand sanitiser before picking Tabatha up from school.
On top of the media you have 'fake news' on social media and lots of people fall for that as well.
If it means people are actually worried about the virus and so start behaving in ways that reduce transmission, more rigorous hand washing and cleaning and keeping social distance then some herd behaviour like this is good because it increases the chance that the virus won't be able to infect enough people and will die out like SARS did.
The panic buying behaviour though is a problem, it's the same thing that drove Northern Rock to collapse when everybody wanted to withdraw their money. Coronavirus will burn itself out over time and any impact on supply chains and goods in shops will be time-limited but this is a dry rehearsal for no deal with the EU at the end of the transition period, which is quite likely given how far away both sides are. That would mean long-term disruption to supply chains and if people are going to behave like this we'll have a problem.
The attitude towards no deal last year was "we're British, we got through the war, we'll rally together and deal with it", well coronavirus and potential no-deal will test whether we're willing to help our neighbours or are going to be brawling on the supermarket floor over the last roll of own brand bog roll. |
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Quote ="The Railwayman"I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
as this new bright shiny virus'"
They usually do run stories about flu every year, eg: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... inter.html
Most of the media is privately owned so its incentives are to get people to buy a newspaper, click on a website or watch a channel. It's not there to provide measured analysis of risk. The tabloid-style media sources try to balance pandering to their target audience with content that agrees with them whilst also dropping in stuff that makes them concerned enough to want to consume it. They will run stories saying 'climate change is a myth' but at the same time, hype up short-term weather forecasts so you always get these stories of the 'big freeze' coming in the next few months, with much of the UK to be encased in snow and ice.
You've had the same with coronavirus, with tabloids running commentary pieces saying "we're British, this is just a fuss over nothing" but in the same papers, reporting URGENT SHORTAGES of everything. Their typical reader will sit around discussing it over their bacon sarnies at lunch and agree that everyone has gone crazy and they won't be getting stressed about some virus, but then text their missus to get her to pick up toilet paper on the way home just in case.
With the broadsheets its a different approach but similar result. They will have some 'keep calm and carry on' commentary, but they will also have some political commentary along the lines of 'austerity has pushed the NHS to the brink, now coronavirus will push it to collapse'. So their typical reader will pick that up over their matcha latte and then text their partner to say they'll be late because they need to stock up on Waitrose hand sanitiser before picking Tabatha up from school.
On top of the media you have 'fake news' on social media and lots of people fall for that as well.
If it means people are actually worried about the virus and so start behaving in ways that reduce transmission, more rigorous hand washing and cleaning and keeping social distance then some herd behaviour like this is good because it increases the chance that the virus won't be able to infect enough people and will die out like SARS did.
The panic buying behaviour though is a problem, it's the same thing that drove Northern Rock to collapse when everybody wanted to withdraw their money. Coronavirus will burn itself out over time and any impact on supply chains and goods in shops will be time-limited but this is a dry rehearsal for no deal with the EU at the end of the transition period, which is quite likely given how far away both sides are. That would mean long-term disruption to supply chains and if people are going to behave like this we'll have a problem.
The attitude towards no deal last year was "we're British, we got through the war, we'll rally together and deal with it", well coronavirus and potential no-deal will test whether we're willing to help our neighbours or are going to be brawling on the supermarket floor over the last roll of own brand bog roll. | |
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At least there will be another use for your tabloid when the shelves are empty.
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Will this see a rationing of The Guardian and other broadsheets?
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While I understand the obvious concern with this virus, the thing that baffles me is that the figures so far show about 270 people with the virus from over 23000 tested.
Now, i know there are people who are paranoid and hypochondriac, but what symptoms are the 23000 negative result people actually reporting that warrants them needing a test, or does this figure include all people returning from China, Italy, etc?
Ultimately, they aren't going to be able to test everybody, so we are bound to reach a point where people with mild symptoms will just innocently carry on as they would if they had a normal cold/mild flu, and it's from there where problems will balloon and where I believe restrictions, like have been implemented in Italy, will be used.
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I do the shopping for chez Goldblatt (if Mrs G did it, the trolley would be full of candles and cushions) and lo and behold, selfish/ignorant b@5t@rd5 have got 2x9 packs of toilet roll, and the shelves are empty. Now, we aren't expecting galloping dysentery, but Jeremy Vine and the Daily Mail have told everyone that bog rolls are selling quickly, so the gullible, panic.
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i had a 2 week work trip to the US cancelled... and now as a classified 'work from home' job role, i am being made to work from home for the next 6 weeks... its been great for me so far.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"While I understand the obvious concern with this virus, the thing that baffles me is that the figures so far show about 270 people with the virus from over 23000 tested.
Now, i know there are people who are paranoid and hypochondriac, but what symptoms are the 23000 negative result people actually reporting that warrants them needing a test, or does this figure include all people returning from China, Italy, etc?
[iUltimately, they aren't going to be able to test everybody, so we are bound to reach a point where people with mild symptoms will just innocently carry on as they would if they had a normal cold/mild flu, and it's from there where problems will balloon and where I believe restrictions, like have been implemented in Italy, will be used.'"
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That I believe is the scientific advice that the government have been given. They are trying to slow the virus down atm because;
The NHS are under the most pressure in the Winter months.
Ordinary flu is a seasonal Winter event.
It gets them closer to a vaccine for the virus. Probably another 9 months though.
and worst of all;
They can't afford a large segment of the population to become infected at the same time as it would basically shut the country down.
The next stage will be what China and Italy have done. Close schools, cancel sports events and large gatherings, restrict travel movement etc etc. Large banks and trading houses have already rented new office space where they can move to if/when they get infections in their current offices. So I would guess all areas of 'essential services' have their plans to keep working as well.
Perhaps we might be lucky and the virus will fade away to a low level of infection as the Spring arrives but as this thing has twice the transmission rate of flu, I suspect not.
I have just noticed that the price of oil has dropped by 25%. I can't remember a fall as big as that. Not good. |
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"i had a 2 week work trip to the US cancelled... and now as a classified 'work from home' job role, i am being made to work from home for the next 6 weeks... its been great for me so far.'"
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"You eating a lot of donuts whilst sat at home, and drinking poop beer?'"
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Most of the thousands who teem over bridges over the Thames every morning after leaving trains to sit at computers in the City could quite easily work from home. This would stop those with a low step up the greasy pole boasting to their chums in the wine bar " I have 50 people working for me* Maybe, but 48 of them could do the job at home.
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I work from home and it's not easy believe me.
Particularly in winter you get very isolated and don't have any contact with people for hours at a time and if the weather is bad days can go by without leaving the house. From a mental health perspective it doesn't work for everyone.
Fortunately I have a 6 ft pink rabbit called Cyril who lives under the stairs and comes out to chat when everyone else is out, so he keeps me company. On Mondays we have cake and lemonade and watch Judge Rinder together.
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The bog roll fiasco just come forms what my old man used to say that ‘98% of the general public are just thick’.
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