I wasn’t suggesting we will be relegated by the way, it’s just after last season I want to know when i can relax (and breathe during a game).

Absolutely right. But I am concerned that our serial moaners might suddenly re-appear on the fallacy that it "helps the club to criticise". When we lose they all appear as if having their say on here will help the club. Powell's comments after the game indicates that he is well aware of our problems. Saints have lost 5 games, Wigan 3 and we have lost 2 ... so not too bad eh! But we aim high and we aim for the very best ... as you do.

A bit of constructive criticism is healthy, but moaning isn't. If we're halfway through our fixtures and top of the table, especially given last year's fortunes, and still finding stuff to moan about, it's a little concerning. To me, the problem sits with the person moaning more than it sits with the running and performance of Warrington Rugby League Football Club.

The world is far from perfect, so don't expect our club to be.

To give a bit of perspective saints have lost 3 more games than us already after only 11 games, but they will still win it. I know they're taking the losses with their usual good grace, but the point is, whether we are convincing or not at the moment won't win us the grand final, we need to earn enough points to get the right to try to contest for it and we are doing a good job of that so far.

Why are you concerned about "serial moaners"? It's an internet forum and we are a broad church. There will be diverse opinions so elebrate the diversity.

Everyone loves diversity (how wouldn't you & of course RL leads the way) & I'll 'elebrate anything.
You can't beat a good forum ... it brings people together. In normal life when people moan a lot most people ignore them but what a joy it is to hear what they have to say (again and again).

I'm going to keep moaning until we win the bloody grand final! And even when we do, if we don't back it up with a WCC win I'll be moaning again!!

I was shouting in the stand at Ratchford to pass the ball on more than one occasion. Mata’utia was never in any rush to chase the kicks. Williams was quiet last night but that could be Vaughan as dropped off a little, I’d say in fairness he has played some big minutes but he has a 2 week break. Philbin and Bullock I thought gave us more out of the forwards

We either need 2 good quality centres next season if one of them is wrench then we can have a bit more money on the other one. Don’t think Currie had as bad a game as some said but he too was getting nothing from Ratchford either.

So whatever the issue around dufty is he needs to get it sorted don’t want him on the bench would rather have Clark there with the same forwards we had this game. Thewlis on the wing next week he had a good game.

I find it helps me to just scroll past posts I don't like rather than complain about them. There is also a block button.

This is an internet forum, and as long as it's within the rules anyone can freely post what the wish. Were not going to agree 100% with everyone that expresses an opinion, and we've all made some posts that others had a different view on. Were all entitled to our opinion , and unless it's personal insults, should be respected.

I agree with W71, if you don't like a post then you can respond, just move on, or block the poster if they really bug you (something I've not resorted to, yet, but it's a function that's there to be used).

Only if it was that easy, why I say that is it’s the same people every time that come on and in their words people are moaners. Is it simply that that some OPINIONS are different so people get called moaners. Personally if you not going to post an opposing opinion then don’t come on and call people moaners. Better to just say you disagree.

It's the old "happy clappers" v the "Negs". The debate goes on. We are all somewhere along the continuum. Some in the middle, of course, mainly positive but critical at times.

I won't see the game until tomorrow ... but which of the Wakey forwards might be useful to us?

Still Tanginoa for me. And Walters from Leeds but seems Saints have got him.

Sam Eseh for me.

Only 19 years old and not a quota player. 2022 Championship Young Player of the Year, while on-loan to Featherstone last year.

He got completed wrong footed by George Williams for his try, but Smith did the same to us when he scored his try.

Eseh looks to be a very promising player and has youth on his side. One of the top sides will definitely snap him up if he becomes available at the end of this season.

Wow Leeds must be disappointed if Walters is leaving. Can't believe they've let him go without a fight.

From my understanding they want him to stay but as a free agent he can shop round for better money and seems Saints are the one.

So saints are paying him more than Leeds and they're offering Clark a contract that makes him turn down a lucrative testimonial? Are we allowed to make jokes about a salary sombrero like they do every time we sign somebody?

Not worth lowering ourselves to their standards.

He is a Widnes lad, and was signed by Leeds along with O`Connor when they both became free agents.

Playing for St Helens allows him to live near friends and family, plus the likely hood of winning trophies.

Excuse me, are you saying that sintellins fans have standards??

....and getting away with all sorts of shenanigans with the disciplinary panel

The 'we don't pay marquee salaries' always makes me chuckle as well - utter tosh

Sorry I consider myself reprimanded

They reckon Barba was the only marquee player they have had.