I hope that Sam’s vocal critic might be enough for the disciplinary to shy away from hitting Vaughan with a suspension, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t get a game ban and a fine.
The disciplinary wouldn’t budge on his ‘pick him up’ ban, regardless of the evidence brought.

I don't think Vaughan is to blame for just trying to make a good strong hit, that shoulder contact was minimal and it was clear he didn't lead with it looking to do damage. Sky's forensic examination of these sort of tackles almost always finds one controversial angle that makes it look 10x worse and once that's shown ad nauseum and the crowd get to go "OOOOOHHHHH" and shout "OFF" then there's only one outcome.

Props to Sam for telling it like it is, and for rightly being ticked off shall we say, to the point of cutting the interviewer off, good man. Feck sky and the RFL.

Red card was ridiculous , it’s like the commentary team are saying us humans are too stupid to ref games these days and we now need AI and VR . This is ruining the game , it’s a physical game played at a fast pace , these things are going to happen . This wasn’t like when Bob Jackson broke Stu Pugsleys jaw (over a year out) at Wilderspool in the 90s and didn’t even get a card .

Leigh where scrappy , poor execution, not sure I agree they were offside all game , might have looked that way as it was 13 v12 . I would say it was probably a moral victory for wire and the Leigh crowd we're flat too , tells us nothing about how Leigh will do against the top clubs unless we rely on bad decisions every week . Tyler Wray looks like a potential superstar in the making , you don’t see too many players with that explosiveness.

Should it be that the VR is not allowed to listen sky commentators as not to be influenced? Wells was prolific with his criticism of Vaughan until he sent off.

This is a poor take, in my opinion. I suspect you know that, and I suspect this is the old Stan Collymore TalkSport bait approach. But if you genuinely have no agenda, you’d be going after another NRL import who didn’t get sent off after only 11 minutes and only contributed 7 more tackles and 11 more meters.

It’s self evident that Vaughan is our best prop, and is in the top handful in the league. 1 red and 1 yellow from 11 penalties conceded, with the reds both this year and last being technical fouls not malicious intent, I think it’s a sweeping overreaction and/or just a bit clueless.

I’m still unclear, was the red for the tackle or the arm in th face when he was on the floor? Shows what a difference a coach makes last season that was a 40+ point defeat.
I normally don’t take too much note of th commentators as tit is usually a bunch of “ex” Saints but last night Wells seemed to be a complete and utter kn0b. When Holmes got yellow carded he seemed to think that gave us some sort of advantage rather than just even out the numbers.
Finally what was the “on report” all about? How come the vid ref wasn’t involved? Not that I see the point of on report anymore when all matches are reviewed any way.

Cluck bait

Couldn’t agree more about the criticism, and for all King’s mistakes he kept taking the ball in from on our line which must have taken its toll later on.

I agree we were scrappy, and our execution was poor, It's been like that quite a lot this season. If Moylan is on it, the game has gone by half time; 'ifs & buts'. Anyway, Irrespective whether it was red or not, it's easy for Sam to say it's embarrassing when it's your team getting the red, and say nothing when it happens to your opposition. For me, All coaches need to get together , and have some kind of dialogue as to what they are feeling, and come to some agreed outcome about decisions regarding contact to the head. In my view, It should've been yellow, and if Trout fails his HIA, it becomes a red due to the fact that Leigh lose a man (in this case) for 70 minutes, and Trout misses at least the next game.

And if the roles are reversed I hope none of our players clap a red card like Ipape did. Woeful.

Personally, I don't condone that kind of behaviour, or any antagonising antics by players.

The video refs don't have the commentary.

Sam didn't say nothing and called it embarrassing when Hull were given a straight red earlier in the season against us. He is not a hypocrite.

Yeah that's a fair comment, my apologies. However, the whole circus has been left to fester for the rest of the season, and it's continued since then.

How do you lnow?

I would be certain they do , or they have an idea of which way the commentary is being influenced, reason I say this is because the commentary team appear to be saying " its a certain red , he's got to go off the field " . While I am sat there thinking WTF are they watching ? This is on many occasions . Rarely do they speak common sense or seem to remember that they did far worse as players . Would be nice to see Vaughan come out and say that he agrees with the rules but they have to be applied with some sort of common sense . If you take the rules to the extreme all front row players would be red carded after every scrum as there is always contact with the head.

The referees listening to the sky commentary and being influenced by it is the most tinfoil hat wearing idea I've ever heard.

If you think this, have a word with yourself

I think the commentators can hear the video ref judging from the odd comment I've heard some make while the ref is shown "deliberating". But obviously the video ref can't be heard by the rest of us unless it's a try decision. So I don't know.

hmmm ducks and tinfoil, I’m ready for my tea

Am I right in thinking that the referee never used to be influenced by the video ref.
That's what on report was for.

Based on that, Vaughan stays on.
But also if the video ref is ruling in disciplinary issues, where's the punishment for the crusher tackle?

All I want to see is consistency, as I'm sure we all do. I don't want to be discussing the refs performance, he should be irrelevant. Unfortunately that's not the case!!

It's obvious that the commentators can hear more of the video ref's deliberations than we can, and they seek like giddy schoolkids when they get to tell us the outcome half a second before it comes on screen. No reason to believe the VRs can hear the commentary, although I suspect there are some situations where there is only one audio feed and it does happen.

One of the commentators lives near me (one of the better oned) The commentators can hear the referee and video ref but the ref and video ref can't hear the commentary.

I should think the involvement of the VR is as much about creating a job for one of the boys as it is for assisting the on field official.The involvement of Thaler for Halton's try was well over the top as we have seen on many more occasions. Why he felt no need to stick his oar in about the crusher tackle is mystifying though.

Both the Lam no try and Halton Try decisions were bizarre. Seemed to take an eternity, for what really were basic decisions. On both occaisions, both sets of players were in agreement on what the outcone would be, and setup will before Thaler reached as decision.

As for the red. I think it is a red based on the rules. But that says more about the rules than the tackle to be honest, and begs the question of why Lomax only got a yellow when he knocked O'Brien out with his shoulder last month.

Exactly and ,unfortunately, lack of consistency leads to suspicions of conspiracy. The game is being played by lads doing their best on pitch but is being ruined by incompetence from top to bottom.