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| I hope the RFL look at this tackle and decide if there is contact with the head too.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"
The alarming thing from watching the reply is that Patton completely bottles it from either catching the pass or at minimum getting in the way of Tomkins. He steps to the side, I assume in self preservation. It’s poor.'"
I saw that but we cannot criticise young Declan at the moment.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Yes, fuss and faux outrage from Hull KR. James Goulding and Andrew Heffernan have had to retire due to concussion. No bleating or moaning over those incidents i re call. Do excuse is if we point out one of your players made reckless contact with someone's head leaving them hospitalised with a possible skull fracture. Knee \elbow it doesn't matter at this point he clearly goes towards Tomkin 's head. Rashford comes in second over his legs which was more of a late flop so why did the ref send Austin to the sin bin. McGuire instantly is upset.
Austin is looking at a lengthy ban. Which is no use to Rovers.'"
Adrian Morley was out for 12 weeks when Eamon O’Carroll ‘recklessly’ flew out of the line made contact with the head and fractured his cheekbone. EOC stayed on the field, didn’t get a penalty and he didn’t get a ban (and rightly so). Someone getting injured doesn’t mean someone should get a ban. It’s a collision sport, nature of the beast. Joel knows the rules of engagement, and if I remember correctly did a decent job on Yeaman a few years back, he’s no shrinking violet.
If we go down the route of ‘overly aggressive’ gets a penalty, we should just call it quits.
Finally, McGuire has been instantly upset since 2003, I wouldn’t rely on his judgment. Usually appeased with a shrill blow on a whistle. If Austin does get a ban then maybe KR don’t benefit directly, but you did have 10 minutes to make it pay, which you did make use of, scoring while we were down a man.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Nobody wants to see a player injured and out of the game for any length of time, but it happens. I didn't see any contact to the head from where I was stood, and the footage is inconclusive.
Therefore, I'm not saying there was or wasn't, I honestly don't know. It will be dealt with on Tuesday, when there's hopefully footage from the North Stand side, together with the officials report to determine what case there is to answer. Until then (or for years into the future), we can all carry on arguing the toss from a different view point.'"
It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.
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| I was sat in the North and saw the incident. Ratchford goes nowhere near with his knees, tackle was incomplete and Austin was legally allowed to tackle him. However, Austin then led with his right elbow tucked in and landed it on his head/back of neck area. I immediately thought if the ref has seen that he's gone and the only thing that saved him was the ref and linesman were running back up the field trying to catch up. If the RFL have the view that I had from the North then Austin is banned. I dont believe it was intentional or reckless but still will be a ban.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.'"
he wasn't tackled and how do u know that he attacks the head as any video footage is unclear atm...
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| Tomkins wasn't tackled, he was clearly going to carry on running after the initial tackle, and Austin completed the tackle
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| Agree with Lefty's earlier assessment of the game. Don't know who Moe is standing with but I was at the game and was not impressed with Tasi at all. Very underwhelming for somebody presumably wanting to make an impression to claim a starting shirt.
The Austin incident from where I was sitting in the north stand just looked like a heavy flop whilst completing a tackle.. Obviously don't wish injury on anybody but Tomkins is a grub and has always been there or thereabouts whenever there is any trouble. With Austin investigated for 2 incidents against Leeds ( no ideas what the second one was) he will inevitably get a ban. We don't need our star signing sat in the stand so he needs to shape up.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload":144mlxrcWhat are you saying here ? What is ' a play on the NN/W side'. Do you mean there is footage of the game from the NW, if so, can you show the clip ?
Then the quotation that you made; [i:144mlxrcAustin flopped on him, leading with his elbow into the nape of the head to neck area'.[/i:144mlxrc'"
Mobile phone auto correct 'mate ' not 'play'
Apologies.
Led with the elbow into the nape of the head with a flop.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Adrian Morley was out for 12 weeks when Eamon O’Carroll ‘recklessly’ flew out of the line made contact with the head and fractured his cheekbone. EOC stayed on the field, didn’t get a penalty and he didn’t get a ban (and rightly so). Someone getting injured doesn’t mean someone should get a ban. It’s a collision sport, nature of the beast. Joel knows the rules of engagement, and if I remember correctly did a decent job on Yeaman a few years back, he’s no shrinking violet.
If we go down the route of ‘overly aggressive’ gets a penalty, we should just call it quits.
Finally, McGuire has been instantly upset since 2003, I wouldn’t rely on his judgment. Usually appeased with a shrill blow on a whistle. If Austin does get a ban then maybe KR don’t benefit directly, but you did have 10 minutes to make it pay, which you did make use of, scoring while we were down a man.'"
Pretty sure Morley shot out of the line to put a hit on a young EOC and came off second best.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.'"
It doesn't look bad though, and he isn't tackled at the point Austin reaches him as tomkins has escaped the first tackler which was jack Hughes. At that point tomkins could have got up and carried on if Austin and ratchford don't get to him as tackle was not complete. The tackle is awkward because of the position tomkins finds himself in, I can't see any intent to injure from our players there, nobody wants to see players injured especially serious injuries but its a contact sport. Austin had to tackle him because tackle wasn't complete.
I'm sure there will be a ban but unless other angles show something I can't see on the sky website then I think it will be harsh given he was binned for it on the pitch.
Wishing tomkins a quick recovery anyway.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.'"
Get a grip.
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| Turn up the volume of the sky clip at 36 seconds. Couldn't agree more
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| Quote ="CW8"It doesn't look bad though, and he isn't tackled at the point Austin reaches him as tomkins has escaped the first tackler which was jack Hughes. At that point tomkins could have got up and carried on if Austin and ratchford don't get to him as tackle was not complete. The tackle is awkward because of the position tomkins finds himself in, I can't see any intent to injure from our players there, nobody wants to see players injured especially serious injuries but its a contact sport. Austin had to tackle him because tackle wasn't complete.
I'm sure there will be a ban but unless other angles show something I can't see on the sky website then I think it will be harsh given he was binned for it on the pitch.
Wishing tomkins a quick recovery anyway.'"
Pretty much every word.
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| Irrespective of whether there was intent or not, looking at the bigger picture:
2 games, 3 sin binnings
2 games probably 3 bans
2 games team disadvantaged by 30 mins
Whatever other qualities this team posesses, intelliigence isn't one they are showing much of at the moment.
I have very little confidence that a team minus Austin and Brown will have the attacking nous to continue to get results.
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| Pretty sure the RFL disciplinary panel looked at two of his tackles last week ( I saw one elbow to the face ) so wouldnt surprise me if he didnt get a ban.
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| From the Sky footage, it's it's tricky to say either way as the two contentious points of impact (elbow and knees) cannot be seen clearly from the camera angle. One thing for sure though is that the tackle wasn't completed (saddened) and without Austin's tackle (not his personal tackle!), Tompkins would have, in all likelihood, of got up and carried on.
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| As said, what hit where isnt clear but the RFL have a representative at each game who may be asked for input. Also, its not be stated anywhere where contact was made; that may provide details of what needs to be looked at. Looking at the incident, I wondered whether Austin's right leg came around due to the momentum of the tackle. As others have said, the need to make the tackle was legitimate and my opinion was that Maguire was actually looking for a penalty for lying on, rather than for the impact.
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| Ah well. Austin will probably get a ban but its nothing Tomkins hasn't done before. Distinctly remember him forearm smashing Myler in the face under the sticks a good 5-10 seconds after the ball had been touched down a fair few years ago. Not so much as a penalty given.
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| Only two games in and Austin already looking at a ban and you’d think with his experience he’d know better.Let’s just hope he’s not going do this regular or he could be touring Europe more than playing.
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| I think Austin is trying to make a mark, in a way for self preservation.. He knows that he'll be targeted every week. If he sets his stall out early on by being aggressive, it might dissuade a few grubs like Tompkins not to target him so much throughout the season.
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| The tackle was not complete. Austin was well within his right to complete it and we’d have been slating him if he hadn’t.
However, it seems there has been contact with the head. The duty of care rests with the tackling player.
Clumsy, not malicious, I expect a ban of some form.
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| Quote ="WireWireWire"Ah well. Austin will probably get a ban but its nothing Tomkins hasn't done before. Distinctly remember him forearm smashing Myler in the face under the sticks a good 5-10 seconds after the ball had been touched down a fair few years ago. Not so much as a penalty given.'"
Previous page, I posted that exact example.
That's not to mention his penchant for high tackles, face grabbing, kicking out and stamping on ppl, and generally grabbing players from behind and throwing them to the floor
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| Austin for all his class seems a bit of a grub.
An Aussie Danny Brough.
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