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| We will be better playing with 12 than having Evans anywhere near the team!
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| I fear the worst possible result would be a narrow saints victory. We would have the usual "turning the corner, bad luck, injuries, soon have a full complement back etc." A heavy defeat may force a decision or at least a statement of intent from the board. I cannot see a Wire victory, and my very worst nightmare is a Wire Vs Widnes 8n themillion pound game!
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| Quote ="Snaggletooth"We will be better playing with 12 than having Evans anywhere near the team!'"
Sorry Snag, but that's a pathetic post.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Sorry Snag, but that's a pathetic post.'"
Thanks mate, nice to know we have differing views
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| Quote ="Snaggletooth"Thanks mate, nice to know we have differing views
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| Wolves squad: Stefan Ratchford, Rhys Evans, Matthew Russell, Kevin Brown, Kurt Gidley, Chris Hill, Daryl Clark, Ashton Sims, Jack Hughes, Joe Westerman, Mike Cooper, Brad Dwyer, Dominic Crosby, Andre Savelio, Toby King, Joe Philbin, Jack Johnson, Harvey Livett, Ben Westwood.
Saints squad: Tommy Makinson, Ryan Morgan, Mark Percival, Adam Swift, Theo Fages, Matty Smith, Alex Walmsley, James Roby, Kyle Amor, Jon Wilkin, Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Luke Douglas, Adam Walker, Tommy Lee, Dominique Peyroux, Greg Richards, Jack Owens, Jack Ashworth, Zeb Taia.
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| Quote ="LOngbarn Wire"Wolves squad: Stefan Ratchford, Rhys Evans, Matthew Russell, Kevin Brown, Kurt Gidley, Chris Hill, Daryl Clark, Ashton Sims, Jack Hughes, Joe Westerman, Mike Cooper, Brad Dwyer, Dominic Crosby, Andre Savelio, Toby King, Joe Philbin, Jack Johnson, Harvey Livett, Ben Westwood.
Saints squad: Tommy Makinson, Ryan Morgan, Mark Percival, Adam Swift, Theo Fages, Matty Smith, Alex Walmsley, James Roby, Kyle Amor, Jon Wilkin, Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, Luke Douglas, Adam Walker, Tommy Lee, Dominique Peyroux, Greg Richards, Jack Owens, Jack Ashworth, Zeb Taia.'"
Smith's treatment of Patton this season has been shocking IMO.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Smith's treatment of Patton this season has been shocking IMO.'"
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| its a tough one I'm sure that Patton would have been told he will be playing games as cover this season in the pre season build up so he shouldn't have expected to keep his place in the team barring some exceptional performances that meant he could not be dropped which in part was in his own hands.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"its a tough one I'm sure that Patton would have been told he will be playing games as cover this season in the pre season build up so he shouldn't have expected to keep his place in the team barring some exceptional performances that meant he could not be dropped which in part was in his own hands.'"
Which is fine in principal, however that doesn't explain how 'others' retain their position in the team with rank average performances at best?!?!
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Smith's treatment of Patton this season has been shocking IMO.'"
Smith's treatment of a few players over the years has been shocking.
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| Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook":3ev3wlgyits a tough one I'm sure that Patton would have been told he will be playing games as cover this season in the pre season build up so he shouldn't have expected to keep his place in the team barring some exceptional performances that meant he could not be dropped which in part was in his own hands.'" have been kept in the team every week.
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| 20 points down and Brown kicked 10 yards up into touch on the 3rd tackle.....That is inexcusable.
Patton kicking out on the full trying to get deep is excusable and shouldn't have been highlighted as our downfall...yes it's an error but not there is a marked difference of useless and speculative between the two.
Brown needed a reminder in the reserves for that.
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| Pattons daughter is ill in hospital currently, I think that more than explains his absence.
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| Quote ="Man Mountain"Pattons daughter is ill in hospital currently, I think that more than explains his absence.'"
It would if Smith had said Patton's unavailable due to 'family/personal reasons' but he didn't. He said due to 'poor performances'.
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| Quote '" Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"1. Gidley
2. Russell
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4. Livett
5. Evans
6. Patton
7. Brown'"
As Nick Ross would have said on Crimewatch, many years ago.
"Please, don't have nightmares. Do sleep well"
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"It would if Smith had said Patton's unavailable due to 'family/personal reasons' but he didn't. He said due to 'poor performances'.'"
Has Smith recently re-iterated this, or are you just repeating what he said a few weeks ago when he was first dropped?
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| I heard by the water cooler... That Patton was told by the management that they were happy with what he was doing but he wasn't playing how they expected a Warrington half back to play. So they were putting him in the reserves in order to work on his game and prove himself to warrant a starting position."
or similar words to that effect.
Which to be honest wouldn't shock me. Lineham was banished for near enough a season and look at him now. It did him the world of good.
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| Quote ="moving on..."I heard by the water cooler... That Patton was told by the management that they were happy with what he was doing but he wasn't playing how they expected a Warrington half back to play. So they we're putting you him the reserves to work on his game and prove himself to warrant a starting position."
or similar words to that effect.
Which to be honest wouldn't shock me. Lineham was banished for near enough a season and look at him now. It did him the world of good.'"
The Patton commentary is baffling isn't it? "We are happy, but, not happy so your demoted.
As far as Lineham is concerned, he's gone from getting to giving the elbow since his stint at Rochdale....good work
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"The Patton commentary is baffling isn't it? "We are happy, but, not happy so your demoted.
As far as Lineham is concerned, he's gone from getting to giving the elbow since his stint at Rochdale....good work'"
Correct Rico. Almost as if to say:
"We think you're a really good talented half... but we would rather you change your entire natural game to fit in with what we want so when you come back we look even worse than we do already."
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| Quote ="moving on..."Correct Rico. Almost as if to say:
"We think you're a really good talented half... but we would rather you change your entire natural game to fit in with what we want so when you come back we look even worse than we do already."'"
I don't think there's much chance of success with this type of player development strategy, more likely will lead to a player being 'away' for longer perhaps sometimes never to really return is that what we are trying to achieve? A bit like breaking up and uttering/hearing the immortal words of comfort "it's not you it's me"...yeah right
Odd, but, then again as Oscar Wilde often said "we live in odd times"
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| It's baffling!! If we are going to accept people making errors it should be the younger players coming thru the Experianced players should be able to cover for their mistakes and they should be given the oppertunity to learn from them
For me personally the almost certainty of converting a try is worth more than the errors he may have made ?? Tho we've not really scored enough for him to kick lol but in a regular season his kicking would be invaluable!!
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| Eddie Hemmings Bingo, anyone?
I'm going for (in order)
Crisis
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hoodoo
This is Saints (should we be winning by four tries......stop laughing at the back, and Saints score)
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Eddie Hemmings Bingo, anyone?
I'm going for (in order)
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hoodoo
This is Saints (should we be winning by four tries......stop laughing at the back, and Saints score)'"
dont forget robbeeeeeeeeeeeee
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| he actually climaxed after one of Percivals kicks.
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