I stay away from where those idiots sit and drive there, so just enjoy the noise from that stand. The view is brilliant too.

Likewise, but even if i stay halfway up, i'm still seeing the carnage and effect come down the stairs past me.


That being said, like your original point, i'd still use that for example to a new spectator.

I tend to sit towards the sides to keep clear of the 'issues'.

I think you are better stood at the top with the dick heads because all the thrown ale goes down hill. Just remember to take your gum shield, boxing gloves & lucky horse shoe.

Not a chance in hell we'll win by 20.. This could go either way.

It baffles me how people can go so long watching the game and still not understand the rules. Apologies if you're new to the sport, or only saw it at the time and haven't seen a replay, but Hansen was way higher than the knee on that tackle (around the hips IIRC). It's unfortunate that Stef got injured but a penalty at most if the ref has called held and Hansen wasn't judged to be committed to the tackle by that point. Never a yellow, red or ban.

Shoulder charge requires rotation of the body, contrary to what many fans think it isn't just a tackle where the defender doesn't use his arms.

And then they changed the ruling in the off season, cos it was a house trick

Sorry not to reply earlier, yes i have only been watching for last ten years, I don't know all the rules, I've never played the sport , I'm from down south. I was in to footie as a kid . But never in the last so many years hive seen a tackle so deliberate to cause someone harm or to take someone out of a game. Don't get me wrong it might of not changed the result . The power had changed, but it was a low
Low trick , only a team like Wigan could of stooped so low, before you go on about bennie Westwood in the grand final, yes he was wrong with the swinging arm or punch but I think if u was to to ask him or other people he didn't think for one minute he would force another player of the pitch or to change the game so dramatically ...

Year of the wolf 2016

I think that's what we enjoyed about the GF. Westwood deliberately went to get Green out of the game so it would be easier. The injuries you picked up were the karma of that incident and Blake getting MOTM and scoring a try just added to it. When Ben Flower got sent off against Saints we got our karma by losing a game that 90% of the RL world thought we were nailed on to win.

There is a moral in there somewhere

The tackling and laying on issue is one that is moaned about by so many other fans but how many penalties do we concede by doing it? Next to none. Conclusion - Because it's legal and it isn't our fault that other teams haven't mastered the timing aspect of it or how to do it effectively yet. I thought the aim of the game was to beat the opposition, so slowing the other side down so they can't make as many metres seems like a good game plan to me. You should write to the RFL and tel them it's not fair that Wigan have found a way to upset the oppositions rhythm. And on the subject of folk bleating on about rule changes don't forget it was a certain Wigan person who had the salary cap put in place so teams like Warrington had more of a chance because nobody could get near us. Probably be easier if all the clubs just balloted about the things about Wigan Warriors they want changing to benefit them and we will accommodate you all. It's a pity that everyone want's to be us but they can't change the colour of their jerseys.

Thanks cherry warrior or should we call you Donald trump

It's the Super League and RFL's fault for not aspiring to have faster and cleaner rucks like the NRL have. Every week in SL I think "That would already be a penalty in NRL". You should only have more time if you've completed a proper dominant tackle.

The NRL also call held earlier when 2 players are holding an attacker up, to deter the 3rd man tackles.

We wonder why we get battered at WCC and Internationals.

In the first half against Salford a few weeks back both sides were heavily penalised (harshly a lot of the time) for not allowing a fast play the ball by the attacking team, so much so that it was becoming a farce . It was a total extreme in officiating at the breakdown, we will see the opposite extreme of that tonight due to ridiculous inconsistencies in refereeing standards (and a really slow breakdown suiting the home side) and it will probably be a dull game for it.

You've lost me there. Do you have a link?

Apologies if you're new to the sport, or only heard about this change but never saw the article afterwards.

Is that a no then? Only change I recall for that season was grounding for a drop out needing to be intentional.

Same referee as the Salford game tonight as well I think .

You reckon he will be the same at the piedome?? He should be leaning towards penalising for deliberate slowing but I doubt it, I think he will further highlight inconsistencies although for what it's worth in terms of a spectacle somewhere in between (normal) would be best.

It could be as close as being a draw this one. Wigan very rarely lose at home, we haven't won there for a while and I think we might be a bit fatigued after two tough games at Easter with little rotation.

its not a no, i just gave you patronising response you did to hatfield town wire,



Its in the thread somewhere else, if you can be d reading the whole thing.

Almost every Pie tackle involves a third man *flop*, particularly O'Loughlin and Farrell are the masters of this tactic...Speccies can see it, why can't referees ?

Goodness me, I'd be impressed if any given referee officiated consistently [iduring the same match,[/i let alone from week to week and official to official.

The ref who had a shiny new whistle in the Salford 1st half had clearly ran out of puff by half-time, because after that he let everything go. The week before, he had officiated the Hull Cas game in a fair, sensible even-handed way and it was a fine spectacle as a result,

There are several thousand reasons, all in cherry and white, why the ref in tonight's game will allow the usual spoiling tactics and nonsense to go on. The RFL would have to draft in the SAS to smuggle officials out of the DW if they applied the letter of the law to Wigan matches. We are in the entertainment business, and the viewing spectacle will suffer as a result.

And to be fair, the same can be said of Leeds and Saints fans who all seem to think penalties are awarded on some kind of quota system, in favour of the home team.

3000 tickets sold by the Wire for tonights game. Barmy Army on the march in great numbers again.

Can't disagree with any of that, I'm sure plenty of teams will think the same about us having home advantage. To be honest I wish we barely mentioned the referees in any games but we are some way off that unfortunately they miss too many obvious rulings eg tackled in the air etc etc. I think tony smith made a good call this week regarding officials being panned all the time and lacking support in development, I think their instructions from above probably lack clarity as well to be fair to them.

Wigan have been tedious to watch this season on sky, slow the game up something beyond.

Hicks too, he is becoming more irritating than Child.

Child is consistently picky and frustrating but you know what you're getting from him.

Hicks one week is giving next to no time in the ruck, week later gives an eternity.
Police's offsides like they are going out of fashion, week later doesn't seem to care.

Hicks sees the obvious, he has a good eye (i think personally) but it's the normal stuff.

Time in ruck
Offside
play the ball
loose carry/ball steal

He applies different standards every week and players have no idea how to play him.