it does make sense but it was shown at the start of that year and the end of teh one previously there were many many occasions where penny was on his own YELLING and gesticulating for people to come across and he was completely ignored.

That may be, but if your attack was 100% on, in theory, you may never have to make a tackle in a game!

The Saints way of thinking of a few years ago...you will score but we will outscore you .

Defence wins games, they don't score they don't win.

Look at Widnes and Castleford and their great attack.

not 100%

Seriously you on a wind up or do you just know love all?

thats cos its impossible

Very primrose tintedthis thread. Defence was abysmal. Fair to say he had lots of pace and a good step but his handling if I remember correctly was also poor.

Vs Wakefield at home pre Wembley 09 was embarrassing for him. And us.

What's his stats at Swinton this season

60% completion on high fiving
12 whoops

Penny not Mathers

I see all the "he can't defend" merchants are out in force again. People need to realise that just because a try is scored in the corner it doesn't automatically make it the wingers fault.(unless it's ben jones bishop's in the grand final!). I can honestly remember penny only ever making two defensive howlers(saints in the cup and hull kr at home when we blew a big lead). The lad has got unquestionable talent as you don't make fools of some top quality full backs the way he did without it. I will be made up if he returns and to all his knockers, i though it was "in smith we trust". I still believe he was ushered out due to the size of contract he was on and the fact that his confidence was shot to pieces(thanks Jimmy Lowes!)didn't help him.

Best not to sign players who have dropped down from a SL club.......

Probably still better than Williams.

No it so ain't, highly improbable but 100% is not impossible.
Wire came very very close v Swinton in the cc.

I would love it if he returned and played outside a quality centre. In space he was unplayable.

Hope there is some truth in this

at last a positive post
He is geordie, its all up to him to prove he is worthiness.
Come on Kevin, shut the do wronger doubters up

facking hell Des, any chance you could give us a game with a level playing field?

Not necessarily true. Number up outside to in, nomination, shift and re-nomination. Yet, in that line up there were numerous defensive frailties, quick ruck, no control, chasing markers. All of these will draw numbers to the middle, which in cycle will 'turn in' the edge players shoulders (See King on the photo supplied, facing the sticks/ruck rather than staying 'square') Either way, good attacking sides will pick you up on it.

I wish id ran on the pitch to fill that gap left by king isolating penny in defence!

yes it does....But unfortunately in that particular Example the line was pretty solid until Louis Anderson went walk abouts. Earlier on in the play he went so far in field it was ridiculous then he was done by Flannnery changing the direction direction of his Run....Flannery then stood in the tackle and King rushed out of the line Flannery then off loaded to Gidley who drew Penny and put Gardner in...

whats safe to say in all of that was it certainly wasnt Penny's Fault

Hope that makes Sense you should never look at a still and simply blame the winger (to be fair it was a long time ago). Penny is angling in like King. he;'s not just stood out on the wing marking his opposite number Like Fozzie used to do...
anderson had gone which obviously made King Panic. Penny could have also Rushed out to Gidley but then people would have criticised him for Leaving Gardner with about twenty yards of open field

Ahhem. He hasn't even signed yet. Some of these arguments will look stupid if it's all another daft rumour.

Penny has had 2 seasons with Swinton, and during this year we had Williams playing there as well - I think around 12 games. So our current and past coaching staff will have been in a good position to assess his performances, and compare the two wingers. Plus Penny would have been training with us as well. So we must have had a very good look at him before taking him on.

And I think this could be the nub of the issue, TS may not have taken him on to push Riley and Monas, but simply because he thinks he offers more than Williams as a cover wing. He will probably be on a modest salary, and a 1year contract with a club option for a further year. We have probably already spent around £200,000 on players this year and this may be TS simply making what he believes will be a modest improvement for 2014.


Just seen your post Teeside. Yes, sensible comment, but I am pretty confident this one is correct.

This is the most pertinent comment on this rumour/signing as well as just about any other rumour/signing. Kevin Penny on a 5 year £150,000 a year contract would clearly be a ridiculous bit of business, 1 year on £15,000 would (IMO) be a no brainer. Same could be said for any other signings, extensions, or for that matter players who have been let go. None of us are privy to the terms of players contracts signed or turned down.