When it comes to sports clubs that have viable business plans and make a profit in most sports, there are very very few that are in the black, but plenty of clubs with rich owners/backers pump money in to clubs way beyond their calculated means.

Look at Man City and Chelsea they lose more than they make yet their owners care not a jot and still spend within their means not the clubs.

People say it's a flawed business model (it is) but only if said owner leaves, it very rarely happens and especially if said wealthy owner/backer is a fan.
It's ok putting in safe guards for the what if factor but sport lives in the here and now.

You're honestly telling me now that if we had no salary cap and Thurston said tomorrow i fancy a 3 year spell in SL but i'd want a million that we wouldn't be in the market?

On youth development only the richer clubs and i include london in this are offering anything as Rouges will say there isn't enough investment but it isn't from the clubs that struggle in the main.

Even with a salary cap with the exception of London (who can't attract players) and Widnes who are newly promoted it's the richest clubs that made the top 8, that's no surprise to me.
Once Widnes become established i would imagine them taking Wakefield place in the top 8.

The salary cap for me is all smoke and mirrors, the rich clubs have already broken away from the poorer clubs and created a two tier league anyway.

You won't find many people in football - outside of their own fans obviously - who are delighted with what Man City and Chelsea have done in the last few years though will you?

Even IF Simon Moran was prepared to bank roll a salary cap busting spending spree at Wire - and we don't know if he is, people just assume and that's pretty naive really - isn't it extremely selfish of us to want that to happen? Warrington stockpiling world class players would simply create a modern day Wigan or the eighties and nineties. How is that good for the game in general?

I think it is fair to say that more than a "reasonable" cash injection into some sports clubs is not always from a legitimate source.

Where as Wigan and Leeds were the only clubs capable, there are far more now anyway, plus i'm not advocating unlimited spending just less resrictions to reflect certain clubs spending power.

While the SC may hold back the top clubs potential spending power currently, and people argue that we're losing the top players who are chasing the better salaries in the NRL and kick'n'clap, why would you want an increased SC?

We can't match the NRL from next year no matter what so we'll still be getting out of favour, second rate Aussies just on a higher pay check as some people put it. The same goes for our top sportsman. They'll get a few tens of thousands on top of their wedge which isn't going to stop them if a contract which could still come in for double from elsewhere. The rest of the squad and mediocre players will also get increased wages. This isn't going to increase the value or quality of the competition or an individuals performance, just increase the clubs expenditure of which many already cannot afford.

As SEB mentioned we are not exactly cash rich but the business is sustainable at the current SC. Why push the boundaries from our POV and damage the future of our club for short term success which isn't even guaranteed? Especially after all the work squad builder has put in over the last 10 years or so to get us up to the stage we are... U20's league leaders and champions just being the tip of it.

First and foremost we need to work together to increase the revenue the sport generates, and all clubs at all levels including the RFL need to pull their respective weight. No excuses. Until clubs are effectively self sustainable covering all their costs and expenses, the SC should not change.

in regards to changing the salary cap levels then i am ok with this as long as the rich can't spend that much,and just because they can,as that will only widen the gap at the top.we certainly don't need another case of wigan buying trophies just because they could,or do we need leeds chasing them cos they could

the benchmark for success can be seen by all at the rhinos,we don't break the cap,we don't back down when agents demand more money for their clients,but we continue to win silverware and on a level playing field with all the top sides too,so the question has to be why do we spend our money better than everyone else?
if the limit was raised moderately and across all clubs then i dare say that the same clubs would appear at wembley and win grand finals each year?

I have to say that Leeds are the 'gold standard' that we should all be aiming for. You are a beacon of hope for smaller clubs like Wire. We do our best to emulate you, but year after year you just seem to get better. Even when we manage to retain the services of TS, whom you trained up and gave a job to when nobody else would, we still get beaten in the GF.

However, the really important question I would like to ask is, do you think Paul Wood can now be described as the hardest man in SL, or do you think it's still Ryan ?

bailey wouldn't have even felt a thing as he's that tough

Of course he wouldn't, he hasn't got any balls. He only goes for the small players.

Yes and looked what happened to both Wigan and Leeds. Wigan won everything which became boring and Leeds went bust trying to chase the dream of catching Wigan, who went bust or very close to later on. The salary cap is not perfect and should be altered to once again include a maximum percentage of turn over. It is more important to stop the farce of clubs spending too much and going bust. That is what really hurts the sport.

On the issue of a draft system that could not work in Rugby League as all clubs pay and bring up their own junior players and it would be very damaging to then poach these players to other clubs that have not invested in their youth.

Rugby league needs to forget these grand ideas and build from the lower divisions and look to increase standards we always seem to look for the quick fix or the god father.

We are strong in the heartlands and the process of converting the unbelievers will take many years of junior and school development which thankfully has started and needs to be given support, that is where our long term success will come from.