I am glad a neutral backs up what we think. We beat ourselves last night, pure and simple. When we actually started to respect possession and get to the end of the sets Saints started to look pressured. In fact if the game hadn't been broken up by that clash of heads we may have carried on the momentum to win the game.

The failure to learn from errors was astonishing to see in the first half!

So player power is alive and well at Saints?...The senior players led by Wilkin got Royce the boot... Similar to the Chelsea players John Terry and co...

Spot on, We should go back to basics some of the tricks that worked for us last year just aint, good example is charging down the kicker , First Set that Saints had Monas charged the ball and they came up with another set, so you would think the word would go out but Riley does exactly the same thing and again repeat set for them.
Briers came out of the line for his typical interception 4 times and missed so again stop it.
As for offloads etc they have been well documented on here.

For me back to basics for the next few matches get on top of the opposition and then once we have some points and field position ....do what they want.

Typical performance from us again this season. Trying impossible offloads before we've gained dominance in the forwards only this time we threw in another way to lose possession, charge downs, just when we are 95% going to get the ball we decided to make it a 50- 50 lottery. i think there is an arrogance in the team that has decided they can defend against anyone for as long as required. we have got away with it with 'poorer' sides but you can't carry that attitude into games with the better teams and win. The crumb of comfort was what barrie mcdermott said in fulltime, Leeds were exactly the same last season, overplaying everygame and they ended up champions, and he was right.

We should go back to what we did in quite a few games last season. Tough it out early on in the forwards who will get on top by grinding out the sets & building pressure on the opposition. Eventually they crack which opens the way to play expansive rugby.

Do the basics first!!

It's obvious isn't it. And until we do go back to laying the platform in the forwards teams are just going to continue to play simple low risk rugby against us and wait for our mistakes.

Agreed. Whats annoying me more than anything today was how blase everyone was in a game which meant so much to the fans. A 15k crowd and they play like that? I can't get my head round it.

As said, back to basics against Widnes and then bring out the party tricks if we're in control.

I remember when Saints were good, they used to build a 12-18 point lead before they started throwing it about. We seem intenet on proving how "flashy" we are in the first minute. We average 17 errors a game, 8 more than our nearest challenger. That is a very bad stat.

Biscuit you are spot on.

That Saints side weren't as bad as as when they played Hull but they weren't the Saints of old either.

THE BETTER TEAM WON! I feel i need to stress that but it is quite simple, without the offloads in our own twenty that gifted Saints 18 points in the first 20 mins and with Brett catching a ball once in a while and we sneak another win. It is that simple.
Positives for Saints from last night
* Roby is a top two hooker and the very embodiment of SAints (without him you ARE screwed)
*The ref allowed waaaay too much to go
* Confidence
Well done Saints, and it pains me to say that, but that performance won't win you anything this season. You have proven you are capable of improvement and maybe Leeds and then Wire having the worst games of their season will give you confidence for Wigan, and if you win that nothing should stop you, but the difference between who won that game and who lost that game last night is a pertinent question. Warrington lost but Saints didn't win it.

Hopefully the competition will be better in August (No one wants to see a poor contest)

P.S Note to Tony Smith; Drop Wood and Carvel for Widnes. They lost us the game and have been poor for some weeks.

We need HArrison and Ratch and Solo back. We really aren't the same with so many injured bodies.

Also Thanks Wire for making me lose a lucrative bet.

Lets be honest we haven't looked great all season and have played a couple of get out of jail cards in the last few weeks. Its like the team think they can play crazy football and be 20 points up in the first 20 mins.

Really speaking the Wakefield game should have set alarm bells ringing...2 weeks ago & the team have done nothing about it.

I'd go back to the Hull k.r game.

I wouldn't say it was orchestrated like at Chelsea, I'm sure there was no conscious effort to get him sacked. It was more them growing frustrated with Royce's tactics and losing their way a bit, struggling to carry out his gameplan.