It's exactly like that?

are you really trying to liken matt king to joel tomkins?

No, I'm trying to liken the scenarios which forced a coach to play someone out of position.

behave... king played one game in the second row..... joel played a full season in the centre.

i will ask you again.... do you think joel has lost his place in the england team because of how madge has selected him for wigan?

Yes, but I dont blame Madge one bit for it. I think most coaches would have done exactly the same.

I thought King played a few games in the 2nd row this year? If not then my comparison doesn't really fit! haha.

2 games max.... and they were probably his best games



thats what i was getting at..... as good as hoffman has been... joel was moved out of his best position and his career has suffered as a result..... he would probably be playing for england in this up and coming four nations..... but now he isnt..... all because madge moved him aside to accommodate someone on a 1 year contract..... we will play australia and new Zealand and joel wont play.... because he got moved aside for hoffman... who probably wasn't as good as him anyway.

Has this board reached a new low?

FIOS

nice to see you have a well structured debate going on..... again

Would he be a loss to RL? Yeah, I guess so. In a sort of Hefin O'Hare way.

Now your here, possibly

what do you think about joels tomkins fall from grace in regards the international stage?

It's a testament to McBanana's inadequacy that Shatkins will probably (and undeservedly) get a centre birth ahead of him.

where is George Carmont when you need him?

Yes, this Board is sinking to new depths, just like you say, mainly because we actually allow stupid foul mouthed individuals like yourself to participate. You also couldn't resist slagging off James Graham on your own site.

James Graham was poor tonight, hence I slagged him off on MY board. What's your problem?

He wasn't poor at all. If every England prop played like him every week then we would be in a better position for players than we are now. My main complaint is your use of bad language when there's no need for it. The lad's surname is Atkins. People have been kicked off the Wigan Board for far less.

i think the main problem with you is that you appear to know nothing about rugby league.

Aha! The old I don't belive in the hype of the Wolfs' board so I must know nothing chestnut. Ryan Atkins will do nothing in the 4 nations (if he wrongly gets picked in the first place).

Tenner says i'm right.

Almost right, there is nothing beyond the flat earth that is the Wigan Metropolitan boundary.

tenner says you cant even tie your own shoes laces.

Pack it in, i've had a drink and can't be fecked banning anyone but i will for trolling.

I started this thread? Will I be banned??

No

unless you want me to that is?

Explain why you don't think Atkins will fail (again) on the International level.

he wont fail because he has easily been the best centre in SL this season.

by an absolute mile.... and you wish he was a Wigan player..... because he has been leagues above carmont and joel tomkins....if he played for wigan you would be having wet dreams about him.

he is so much better than anything you have its almost laughable.