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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Did Vaealiki win a trophy? I thought Manly released him half way through the season when they won the NRL...?'"
He won the minor premiership with Parra, could never spell his name properly though
Quote ="Teessidewire"Yet another one eyed Pie Eater cannot see that Wilkin is a quality player, and of course he just had to throw Ryan Atkins in too.'"
Never rated either of them, this whole thread is personal opinion though so i dont see why i need to argue my case further |
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| Quote ="Major Tom"Based on the stats for last year when Joel played almost exclusively at second row you can see how good he is.
[urlhttp://superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2010&hp1=2163&hs2=2010&hp2=470&stat=tries&season=2011[/url'"
Quote ="reidy_21"Played 4 more games though.'"
avg metres per carry
Tomkins 6.44
Westwood 6.18
Tackle per game
Tomkins 27.74
Westood 27.91
Offloads per game
Tomkins 2.37
Westwood 1.47
Tackle busts per game
Tomkins 2.37
Westwood 1.78
Now i know stats dont show everything but it obviously proves Joel Tomkins is far from average. A few of you need to take your club bias away as i know he isnt exactly loved by you Wire fans just like his brother. I rate Westwood big time, and you lot absolutely idolise the guy but it goes to show how well Joel compares to him and why he certainly isnt average.
Average players imo ...
Ricky Bibey
Lee Radford
Tim Jonkers
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| Quote ="DP_wwrlfc"avg metres per carry
Tomkins 6.44
Westwood 6.18
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Tomkins 27.74
Westood 27.91
Offloads per game
Tomkins 2.37
Westwood 1.47
Tackle busts per game
Tomkins 2.37
Westwood 1.78
Now i know stats dont show everything but it obviously proves Joel Tomkins is far from average. A few of you need to take your club bias away as i know he isnt exactly loved by you Wire fans just like his brother. I rate Westwood big time, and you lot absolutely idolise the guy but it goes to show how well Joel compares to him and why he certainly isnt average.
Average players imo ...
Ricky Bibey
Lee Radford
Tim Jonkers
[uCant really think of many more[/u.'" Sean o loughlin,theres one..
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| Quote ="the ditch"Sean o loughlin,theres one..'"
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Joel Tomkins is not an average player.
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| Quote ="FireWire"Joel Tomkins is not an average player.'"
No, he can thrown passes forward at a 45 degree angle and not be pulled up for it. Clearly he's already a superstar. |
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| Quote ="shambawangy"He won the minor premiership with Parra, could never spell his name properly though
Never rated either of them, this whole thread is personal opinion though so i dont see why i need to argue my case further'"
That's the problem. You haven't argued your case at all. you've just listed a series of names. If Wilkin played at Wigan you would be raving about him. |
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Carl Ablett - I cant be the only one who hates him, and think he's terrible can I?
Ian Kirke - Never has a bigger man since the might of Warren Stevens mastered the art of making minus yards in each tackle.
Did either of Anthony Farrell or Darren Fleary ever win anything with Leeds? Shameful if so.
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Kirke is average. A big unit and if he punched his weight he'd do damage, but he just seems to lack that edge.
Ablett is decent, not good, but he does a job in a squad. Similar to Hansen with us.
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I dont mind Hansen these days, ever since Morley destroyed him and he had the balls to get up and play on.
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I doubt any 'average' player could now forge a career in SL. Stupid thread.
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| Quote ="Wirefan"I dont mind Hansen these days, ever since Morley destroyed him and he had the balls to get up and play on.'"
I think Hansens a good player. But at the same time he wouldn't get in the side ahead of Hoffman/Tomkins/Farrell. He's a workhorse and everyone needs one. |
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| Quote ="black and white"paul wood'"
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| Quote ="Wirefan"Carl Ablett - I cant be the only one who hates him, and think he's terrible can I?
Ian Kirke - Never has a bigger man since the might of Warren Stevens mastered the art of making minus yards in each tackle.
Did either of Anthony Farrell or Darren Fleary ever win anything with Leeds? Shameful if so.'"
Any of those 4, in fact, average is praising some of them
Farrell and Fleary were merely cheapshot merchants, one of whom got "owned" by that waste of space (in a Wire jersey) Andrew Gee |
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Briers.
According to the narrow minded.
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Goes missing and off suspiciously injured every time the going gets tough briers? Yes he is average.
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Vila Matautia, Stephen Holgate, Danny Moore to name but a few
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| Quote ="Enicomb"Goes missing and off suspiciously injured every time the going gets tough briers? Yes he is average.'"
Briers average? I've heard it all now.  He is a supremely gifted halfback, and if there were more "average" players like him then RL would be a lot more watchable than it is currently.
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| Quote ="Enicomb"Goes missing and off suspiciously injured every time the going gets tough briers? Yes he is average.'"
Is this the same Lee Briers, that when he faced up to the Australian Adonis that was Trout Barrett, he had him in his top pocket, both times they played each other. Going missing when the going gets tough? Yeah, sure  |
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you mean the briers when he played for wales singlehandedly ripped australia apart?
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Going a bit further back, Danny Arnold.
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| Quote ="Enicomb"Goes missing and off suspiciously injured every time the going gets tough briers? Yes he is average.'"
It's alright lads. This fella knows nothing about RL. Other famous posts include:
Quote ="Enicomb"Goulding and Pryce as Wigans long term centres; sounds good to me.'"
Quote ="Enicomb"Wire have got youngsters?'"
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He is a supremely gifted halfback, and if there were more "average" players like him then RL would be a lot more watchable than it is currently.
