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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"i also work in an environment where i see the impact of alcohol every night of the week (A&E) i'm a clinical nurse specialist in the management of substance abuse and have over 22 years working in the field however i do not agree with your opinion, should we ban hang gliding, mountain climbing, parachuting?
people take risks, that's their choice, we have a criminal justice system to deal with people who break the laws including drunken fighting at matches, just because it's not enforced properley does not mean i should be stopped from taking my weekly risk of having a few beers at the match! no one denies there was a problem in the streets adjacent to the ground at the weekend but your making the assumption the perpetrator was in any way intoxicated, he may just have been a psychopathic thug!
alcohol does have a social, health and financial impact on people and society but so does boxing, hill walking and shopping in asda!
my point is we have freedom of choice and reducing that freedom should never be an option unless we break the law.'"
Good post Slim. I spent 30 years (until March this year) dealing with drunken idiots who can't handle their ale. However that doesn't stop me having a few jars before a game, or spending the best part of 2 days drinking (and freezing) at Murrayfield. I found in my Police service that those who drink and want to fight would want to fight whether they had a drink or not. I worked numerous Middlesbrough v Leeds football matches where it was obvious that there were groups of supporters who just wanted to fight and that's what they were there for. The only way to get round this is good old fashioned hard policing and to get the perpetrators locked up and banned from RL.
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"i also work in an environment where i see the impact of alcohol every night of the week (A&E) i'm a clinical nurse specialist in the management of substance abuse and have over 22 years working in the field however i do not agree with your opinion, should we ban hang gliding, mountain climbing, parachuting?
people take risks, that's their choice, we have a criminal justice system to deal with people who break the laws including drunken fighting at matches, just because it's not enforced properley does not mean i should be stopped from taking my weekly risk of having a few beers at the match! no one denies there was a problem in the streets adjacent to the ground at the weekend but your making the assumption the perpetrator was in any way intoxicated, he may just have been a psychopathic thug!
alcohol does have a social, health and financial impact on people and society but so does boxing, hill walking and shopping in asda!
my point is we have freedom of choice and reducing that freedom should never be an option unless we break the law.'"
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| Quote ="Yed"You are Ray Mallon and i claim my £5
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Christ, don't put me in the same league as him.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Personal insults
- very intelligent and adding to an overall enjoyable debate with two very different opinions being expressed, which is after all the very basis of free speech & debate.'"
I apologise. I meant delusional god botherers rather than f*ckwit. That was rude of me.
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Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"What [ihave[/i you got against Magic P's faith?'"
Because he secretly asked a mod to remove this picture which some cranks believe to be an image of jesus in a dogs bottom. Assinine. He should turn the other cheek.
www.metro.co.uk/weird/24217-jesu ... ars-on-dog
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Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"What [ihave[/i you got against Magic P's faith?'"
Because he secretly asked a mod to remove this picture which some cranks believe to be an image of jesus in a dogs bottom. Assinine. He should turn the other cheek.
www.metro.co.uk/weird/24217-jesu ... ars-on-dog
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| Quote ="rovers"There is a lad fighting for his life and you come out with that rubbish'"
Listen,there is a lad fighting for his life in hospital and you seem very willing and able to try and defend the actions of these so called featherstone fans. I have witnessed the behaviour of your fans at post office road in 2009 during our challenge cup game,when I personally had lit cigarette butts thrown at me by a neanderthal man in rovers shirt,and in 2010(challenge cup again)where every pub around the ground had an ugly atmosphere inside it due to the behaviour of featherstone fans. Your town,club and fans may well be stuck somewhere in the mid 70's where violence was seen as the norm and therefore acceptable at RL stadiums. The rest of the country has moved on,this is 2010,people don't go to rugby games looking to fight opposition fans just for the hell of it anymore. Please catch up with the rest of civilisation all you occupants of featherstone.
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| =#FF0000CAN WE STOP WITH THE PERSONAL INSULTS AND GET BACK ON TOPIC THANKS.
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| Quote ="magic piano"Good point & I understand about freedom of choice and being able to take risks in personal life & activities, but of those activities you list they generally are a [ipersonal[/i risk. Alcohol misuse & abuse provides a risk not only to the person involved (and they take that risk on their own head...), but to innocent bystanders who have not necessarily signed up to that risk. In your job more than mine you will see the impact on those innocent bystanders & surely you have some sympathy towards them & their lives potentially changing as a result of some drunken behavoiur from someone unable to control their actions due to alcohol?
You could argue that car driving undertakes a similar risk to people other than the one undertaking it & I agree - however the laws are there again to control the misuse of cars when unable to drive them safely. Maybe they are enforced more stringently than antisocial behaviour as a result of drinking; maybe it is that being lairish after a few pints is more socially acceptable than driving over the limit; I don't know the answer but I do know that when I am out with my family in town or at a match why should I & they be made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe because of the actions of people who have not had their alcohol intake controlled & limited to a safe amount?'"
all the activities place emergency services such as mountain rescue at risk, no activity, well most activities can have an impact on others, should they be banned? i don't think so myself, if idiots misbehave lock em up, don't stop me from doing the things i enjoy, i won't complain when my tax pays for an air ambulance to save some mountain climber, don't moan when i have a beer, i will moan when the police don't arrest people for not being able to control their beer intake or fists!
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| oh, and i'm chuffed the lad is getting better. now lets hope the police catch and bang up whoever is responsible for it!
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read carefully and you'll see the fev chairman blame 2 pint pots for the trouble, 5 years in use, now they cause trouble! no thoughts about the fact we have 2 arms and are capable of carrying more than one pint at a time anyway, what a tw@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@t!
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read carefully and you'll see the fev chairman blame 2 pint pots for the trouble, 5 years in use, now they cause trouble! no thoughts about the fact we have 2 arms and are capable of carrying more than one pint at a time anyway, what a tw@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@t!
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"all the activities place emergency services such as mountain rescue at risk, no activity, well most activities can have an impact on others, should they be banned? i don't think so myself, if idiots misbehave lock em up, don't stop me from doing the things i enjoy, i won't complain when my tax pays for an air ambulance to save some mountain climber, don't moan when i have a beer, i will moan when the police don't arrest people for not being able to control their beer intake or fists!'"
I agree that all activities involving risk when they go wrong in turn place at risk those who undertake rescue missions - but when someone signs up to mountain rescue/lifeboats etc they are aware of those. I don't mind if my taxes go to pay the air ambulance (although I thought that the air ambulance services were all charities relying on donations rather than income from taxes?) & if life is saved then financial cost should not be considered (in an ideal world!). However I have never heard of an innocent bystander being injured by a falling mountain climber landing on them; nor have I heard of a hang-glider crashing into someone's back garden crushing them in a combination of giant kite & deckchair... I have heard about & seen innocent bystanders attacked by drunk people, I have heard about & known innocent bystanders killed by drunk people & I have known innocent people killed by drunk drivers. That is where I argue that drinking is an almost unique passtime in that its abuse routinely affects more than just those undertaking the passtime.
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/sep/28/halifax-featherstone-crowd-trouble
read carefully and you'll see the fev chairman blame 2 pint pots for the trouble, 5 years in use, now they cause trouble! no thoughts about the fact we have 2 arms and are capable of carrying more than one pint at a time anyway, what a tw@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@t!'"
Your right he does - I'm not sure if I misunderstood his comments about lack of police presence outside, whether he thought there should have been and wasn't or he thought there wasn't any need for any & there wasn't; either way he is wrong, as there was a police presence there!
And agreed - it is good news the guy seems to be on the mend...
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/sep/28/halifax-featherstone-crowd-trouble
read carefully and you'll see the fev chairman blame 2 pint pots for the trouble, 5 years in use, now they cause trouble! no thoughts about the fact we have 2 arms and are capable of carrying more than one pint at a time anyway, what a tw@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@t!'"
It's not the two pint pots that are the problem, it's the idiots who are supping too many of them.
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"I will moan when the police don't arrest people for not being able to control their beer intake or fists!'"
Very honourable. Maybe if you feel this way you could forward your friends contact details to Greater Manchester Police? From what I have heard they are very keen to locate and interview him regarding his conduct in the DW stadium on the 16th of july!
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| Quote ="Wilderspool memories"Very honourable. Maybe if you feel this way you could forward your friends contact details to Greater Manchester Police? From what I have heard they are very keen to locate and interview him regarding his conduct in the DW stadium on the 16th of july!'"
if you want to behave like a prize chump well fair enough!
my freind did nothing i wouldn't have done if some one had racially abused my wife! so jog on nazi! he showed real constraint not to hit the fool you call a freind, so perhaps upon reflection you should not comment on things you did not witness.
oh as a foot note why would GMP want to interview anyone when no punches were thrown? a verbal exchange took place nothing else.
i'm sure the police might be keen to talk to your pal about his racist BNP like hatred which at times nearly caused trouble at the DW stadium!
now i suggest we leave it there don't you?
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| I think we should all remember that somebody has lost a life here, let's not forget that fact and try to keep things in perspective!
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| Quote ="Dyson"I think we should all remember that somebody has lost a life here, let's not forget that fact and try to keep things in perspective!'"
i agree and apologise for washing dirty laundry in public,
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| Quote ="Dyson"I think we should all remember that somebody has lost a life here, let's not forget that fact and try to keep things in perspective!'"
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| never mentioned him being dead on the appeal last night!
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| there was another thread on here last night that someone started incorrectly about the gentleman in questions passing on, that aparently is not the case.
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| Thats good news, bet there was some loose bowels in featherstone, if that information got out there!
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