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A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
There's a difference between the conspiracy theorists who like to claim every world event as evidence of their masterplan theory, and cases where there is suspicion of foul play like Diana's death....remember Dodi Al Fayed also died there, and his father has been challenging that for years. He's not doing that out of disrespect to the deceased or claiming it was part of an evil world masterplan, he reckons his son has been denied justice.
The David Kelly 'suicide' is another one where I think there is more than meets the eye, the more evidence that starts leaking out over that one, the more it sounds like he was murdered.
And there is Alexander Litvinenko who was investigating the murder of a journalist and got poisoned with radioactive coffee, that had the hands of the Russian security services all over it. |
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And there is Alexander Litvinenko who was investigating the murder of a journalist and got poisoned with radioactive coffee, that had the hands of the Russian security services all over it.'"
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"If HM Government grant a visa to a highly qualified brain surgeon, that will not cause an additional drain on our NHS resources. If she were married to a highly qualified engineer, the combined contribution of the couple would more than pay for your Eritrean who would only be granted asylum if she were facing persecution in her homeland.
And it's its.'"
All very well but none of that defeats the logic of my post. If the said Eritrean was granted asylum on the grounds of percecution (despite travelling across a number of safe havens where she should claim asylum first in most likelihood) then that will cause a drain on resources we would not have had previously.
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Dunblane and the links between Thomas Hamilton and MP George Robertson and that key evidence and documents are subject to the 100 year secrecy rule coupled with the rapid removal of Robertson from the Labour Government to Nato.
We must be careful as George Islay MacNeill Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen is extremely litigious.
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| Quote ="P-J"It's very similar to the activists that died on the blockade running ships. They attacked the Israeli commandos that were trying to search their ships.
If you play with fire, you get burned.'"
whilst there hasnt been any evidence to back up your claim of the IDF commando's being attacked first, what is known is that the commando's went over the top. So far over that it not only outraged the UN but also dare i say it the british govt aswell. Imagine if you lived in the west bank, these people are denied access to basic medicines, clothing, schools, etc etc by a govt that is intent on crushing a populace who just want somewhere to call home. Now before i get called anti semitic or anything else i have no problem with israel just the israeli govt. |
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| Quote ="Champions Again"As for the 9/11 theories, my response is always pretty clear, I simply don't see how it's possible that Bush and Co had a hand in the attacks, there is simply no way that after 9 years we would not have heard from a 'leak', to pull off such an attack and to keep the public relatively oblivious would need the co-operation of thousands of people, members of Congress, White House Staff, the Military and even the Media. And that I believe is just unattainable without encountering a person who would wimp out or tell all to the press.
However I do believe the fact that there were warnings and that is the limit of the Bush Administration's knowledge on the matter.
A horrific tragedy and conspiracy theories on such matters of people's death such as Diana and the World Wars are to me at times lacking sensitivity and respect to the deceased.'"
There is a film available to view online called Loose change. Whilst alot of it makes you think some of it is contrived to make a conspiracy where there wasnt. Worth a look anyway and will probably leave you with a more open mind about 9/11 |
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Quote ="Urmston Wire"I'm with you on this. Occam's Razor- the simplest explanation is normally the correct one.'"
It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
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It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
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Quote ="Bacon"It is also said that the biggest lie is the easiest to sell.
The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo'"
It is ventured that the plane that crashed into nowhere (due to the heroic actions of the passengers) was due to crash into WT7.
The whole thing stinks when you read into it. The semite who insured* WTC1 and WTC2 just 3 months before made a killing, the lucky so and so.
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The smoking gun for 911 is WTC 7 (The Salomon Brothers Building). The fact is that this building collapsed in addition to towers 1 and 2 and is hardly reported, for good reason.
The explanation for WTC 1 and 2 collapsing in free fall in their own footprints was put down to the aviation fuel spilling down the central shafts and catching fire, in turn melting the steel structure which caused their destruction.
Even if that is to be believed, it is hard to believe that WTC 7 also collapsed in free fall just from catching fire.
Check these out:
whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... =wtc7.html
This one is really interesting, the report of WT7 having collapsed on the BBC prior to it actually collapsing (it can still be seen in the background). This clip is a shortened one, if you watch the full version the live feed to Jane Standley is lost minutes before the the building actually collapsed.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNK1V6S2cbo'"
It is ventured that the plane that crashed into nowhere (due to the heroic actions of the passengers) was due to crash into WT7.
The whole thing stinks when you read into it. The semite who insured* WTC1 and WTC2 just 3 months before made a killing, the lucky so and so.
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| Quote ="Wires71"It is ventured that the plane that crashed into nowhere (due to the heroic actions of the passengers) was due to crash into WT7.
The whole thing stinks when you read into it. The semite who insured* WTC1 and WTC2 just 3 months before made a killing, the lucky so and so.
PS They hadn't been reinsured for 33 years prior.'"
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Paranoia rather than conspiracy.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Paranoia rather than conspiracy.'"
Ignorance is bliss. |
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I'm sure there are parts of the September 11 story that haven't come out but the idea that the US military/security services organised an attack on US financial interests is too much of a stretch of the imagination. People say they wanted a pretext to attack Afghanistan but they could have easily found one. When Tony Blair wanted to go into Iraq he just came up with that dodgy dossier saying Saddam could launch WMDs in 45 minutes, he didn't need to crash planes into Canary Wharf. In America, the public supports all their wars anyway, they don't need a pretext.
Stuff like the plane being brought down by its own passengers is a bit of a movie story, I reckon the military shot that down.
These Islamic terrorist groups have been trying to launch a big one for years, on that day they hit the jackpot, the idea that only the US could have organised it is too much to believe.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Ignorance is bliss.'"
Ignorance is Strength. |
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In that case I could still end up winning britains strongest man \0/ |
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Anyone who believes Loose Change needs their head testing. [url=http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_moronsThis guys es all over Loose Change's parade.[/url
RE some of the more popular theories, that the steel melted. The argument from the crack heads is that steel melts at over 1500 degrees C, and jet fuel burns at only 800 C. However, steel loses 50% of its strength at 500C. When the steel gave way (not melted) where the panes hit, the floors would have crumbled like a pack of cards.
As for the theory it was lined with bombs. The WTC was open 24 hours a day. I think one or two office workers would have spotted something if explosives were lined in the building.
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The whole of 11th september stinks to me. dont believe for 1 minute that an idiot like Bush or his cronies, knew that something was going to happen, but believe there are people above them who did.
no footage of the Pentagon being hit
a perfectly intact passport of 1 of the "terrorists" found at the WTC
initial reports of the plane being shot down over Pennsylvania
no blackboxes found at the WTC (supposedly unbreakable and can continue to emit a frequency for upto 7 days.)
16 of the 20 "terrorists" turned out to be alive and living in Saudi Arabia after 11/9
plus many others.
Definately dodgier than a sunday night kebab...
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Conspiracy theories are great. Narrow-minded people's worst nightmare.
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Conspiracy theories are great. Narrow-minded people's worst nightmare.'"
We're all entitled to look at a theory and the evidence presented by conspiracy theorists, and then reject the conspiracy theory. Just as you're entitled to look at the evidence provided by the authorities, reject it and present a conspiracy theory.
I personally have looked at the 9-11 evidence, including Loose Change, and simply don't find it plausible. That's my personal view, not narrow-mindedness.
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It's also said that if you loudly shout the same lies at the public enough, it sticks- which of course would be a criticism of both standpoints.
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It's also said that if you loudly shout the same lies at the public enough, it sticks- which of course would be a criticism of both standpoints.
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| Quote ="Urmston Wire"We're all entitled to look at a theory and the evidence presented by conspiracy theorists, and then reject the conspiracy theory. Just as you're entitled to look at the evidence provided by the authorities, reject it and present a conspiracy theory.
I personally have looked at the 9-11 evidence, including Loose Change, and simply don't find it plausible. That's my personal view, not narrow-mindedness.
Unless the definition of narrow-minded is 'someone who does not agree with you'.'"
Thats you being narrow minded surely?
Just because I have a different belief to you doesn't make it wrong.
My beef is with the people who mock peoples believes...If people believe in ghosts and the living dead, then so what? I don't. But it doesn't mean I'll refuse to accept their belief. Same as 9/11, I think there is something more. Other things such as UFO's I'm on the fence with. But I'm not narrow-minded unlike some to suggest 9/11 just happened, there are no such things as ghosts or ufo's. I have an open mind and love a good discussion about anything.
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Thats you being narrow minded surely?
Just because I have a different believe to you doesn't make it wrong.
My beef is with the people who mock peoples believes...If people believe in ghosts and the living dead, then so what? I don't. But it doesn't mean I'll refuse to accept their belief. Same as 9/11, I think there is something more. Other things such as UFO's I'm on the fence with. But I'm not narrow-minded unlike some to suggest 9/11 just happened, there are no such things as ghosts or ufo's. I have an open mind and love a good discussion about anything.
I don't just dismiss something just because I don't believe it. Do you?'"
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I have read the argument and the evidence and don't believe the theory. Being narrow-minded would imply that I dismissed the argument without looking into it.
Though I can see no reason why I should not be able to mock someone's belief, as long as I have a coherent, reasoned, logical and evidence-driven argument. Such as the bizarre theory going around that apricots cure cancer. |
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| Quote ="Urmston Wire"That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I have read the argument and the evidence and don't believe the theory. Being narrow-minded would imply that I dismissed the argument without looking into it.
Though I can see no reason why I should not be able to mock someone's belief, as long as I have a coherent, reasoned, logical and evidence-driven argument. Such as the bizarre theory going around that apricots cure cancer.'"
Anymore key buzzwords you wanna throw it there? 
When it comes to conspiracy theories, the majority of people who do not believe them mock/ dismiss others beliefs. I don't mock anyone's belief, regardless of how bizarre it may seem to me. If people wanna believe that monkey's were behind the 9/11 attack, then let them. Its what makes the world go round. |
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Anymore key buzzwords you wanna throw it there?
When it comes to conspiracy theories, the majority of people who do not believe them mock/ dismiss others beliefs. I don't mock anyone's belief, regardless of how bizarre it may seem to me. If people wanna believe that money's were behind the 9/11 attack, then let them. Its what makes the world go round.'"
I think I can agree with you on the latter. Some of the more ludicrous ones on Wikipedia have kept me entertained on many a dull day at work! |
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| Quote ="Urmston Wire"I think I can agree with you on the latter. Some of the more ludicrous ones on Wikipedia have kept me entertained on many a dull day at work!'"
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