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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Don't know about Widnes, more likely Salford as easier for me to get to.
The concept is no different to myself choosing to watch football at Goodison Park rather than Cantilever Park.'"
It is different. If Warrington FC were in the top flight, then had a franchise removed, I doubt that the fans would go to support another local side in the top flight. It doesnt work like that. Just as Gateshead fans don't watch Hull (to repeat the point previously) |
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| Quote ="Wires71"It is different. If Warrington FC were in the top flight, then had a franchise removed, I doubt that the fans would go to support another local side in the top flight. It doesnt work like that. Just as Gateshead fans don't watch Hull (to repeat the point previously)'"
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| Quote ="Wire_74"Granted they are a good side but facilities.
Have you ever been to Craven Park?'"
yes i have
the last time i went there was a few years ago where we beat them something like 10-0 in the cup in the mud
but facilities that time werent the best but ive seen a few games on sky and the ground looks in better shape with more support and better facilities
a super league club in cumbria would be a great idea , just look what they did to castleford a few week back |
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| Quote ="howley-wire"yes i have
the last time i went there was a few years ago where we beat them something like 10-0 in the cup in the mud
but facilities that time werent the best but ive seen a few games on sky and the ground looks in better shape with more support and better facilities
a super league club in cumbria would be a great idea , just look what they did to castleford a few week back'"
I understand what you're saying but i like the idea of giving Halifax a franchise. Much better facilities than Barrow and a team on the rise. |
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| Quote ="Wire_74"I understand what you're saying but i like the idea of giving Halifax a franchise. Much better facilities than Barrow and a team on the rise.'"
but halifax wont fill the stadium week in week out , if they get into super league they will be just like quins 2,000 a game
i no barrow dont have the best facilities but they can fill there ground every home game , take a look at crusaders for example last year they were poor didnt fill there ground week in week out but look at them this year , winning more games , better crowds |
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| Quote ="howley-wire"yes i have
the last time i went there was a few years ago where we beat them something like 10-0 in the cup in the mud
but facilities that time werent the best but ive seen a few games on sky and the ground looks in better shape with more support and better facilities
a super league club in cumbria would be a great idea , just look what they did to castleford a few week back'"
Went there for a pre-season game last year. Nothing had changed since our last visit. |
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Hows this for an idea that might allow for Superleague coverage to get to a slightly bigger market without overstretching it:-
Halifax and Huddersfield to merge and play under the name Calder
Warrington and Widnes to merge and play under the name Cheshire
Where have I heard that before !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"If people in Runcorn or South Liverpool want to watch Super League then they are already adequately catered for with the close proximity of both Warrington and St Helens.
I accept that Widnes is not a village however if anybody from the Hamlet of Widnes wants to watch Super League its not exactly that big an effort to travel to Warrington or St Helens. Amazing that people expect Harlequins to attract support from say Lewisham yet the people of Widnes cannot be expected to travel 10 miles maximum. You could walk to Warrington from Widnes quicker than getting from Lewisham to Twickenham by public transport.'"
I would never travel to Warrington if we went bust.If Stobarts and oconnor market well we will be competitive.Widnes have as much a chance as cas,wakey and salford of a franchise.We have a youth set up who beat your u18s the other week, and richard myler was one of our academy players.Only because of administration through that crook ste vaughaun we messed up.If rugby league died in Widnes people would not go to watch wire or saints.I would watch football so your point is not valid.Anyway the majority of wire fans would love us back in superleague.  |
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Those figures are misleading at present as Fax got 3K+ for the opening of the new stand (with lots of discounted tickets). Last season Barrow and Fax averages were almost the same.
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What would people most fancy? A three hour drive to a poor ground or a short 45 minute trip to a much better ground. No brainer for me.'"
I presume you're a Warrington fan. It takes 2 hrs to get to Barrow from Liverpool airport, so less from Warrington. Do you go to look at the stadium or watch the rugby ??
We got a 6,500 sellout against Wigan last season (although rumours are the real figure was over 8,000). It was a cracking atmosphere, everyone had a great day, got a beer and could see the action. What else do you need ??
The stadium, although old, passes a safety inspection every year and has in fact had its' capacity increased in the last few months. The RFL and Sky seem obsessed with 'facilities' and are pushing several clubs into financial disaster by insisting they sell up and move into council owned stadia.
Craven Park (Barrow) will be totally redeveloped in the coming 2-3 years (this is underway already). On the field, I've no doubt that we would put a competitive squad together for SL and I'm also sure that we'd get very healthy crowds.
We just need the opportunity. However, I fear that Cumbria will be cast adrift yet again. The sturpid thing about the license system is that we could win The Championship and Challenge Cup for the next 2 years and the RFL could still 'decide' to ommit us. The license criteria can be twisted any way to suit the decision of the RFL. I'm sure they'll use the current condition of Craven Park (a stadium we own worth approx £5M) as a stick to beat us with, but out BOD insist they won't jeopardise the long term stability of the club by selling-up.
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Those figures are misleading at present as Fax got 3K+ for the opening of the new stand (with lots of discounted tickets). Last season Barrow and Fax averages were almost the same.
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What would people most fancy? A three hour drive to a poor ground or a short 45 minute trip to a much better ground. No brainer for me.'"
I presume you're a Warrington fan. It takes 2 hrs to get to Barrow from Liverpool airport, so less from Warrington. Do you go to look at the stadium or watch the rugby ??
We got a 6,500 sellout against Wigan last season (although rumours are the real figure was over 8,000). It was a cracking atmosphere, everyone had a great day, got a beer and could see the action. What else do you need ??
The stadium, although old, passes a safety inspection every year and has in fact had its' capacity increased in the last few months. The RFL and Sky seem obsessed with 'facilities' and are pushing several clubs into financial disaster by insisting they sell up and move into council owned stadia.
Craven Park (Barrow) will be totally redeveloped in the coming 2-3 years (this is underway already). On the field, I've no doubt that we would put a competitive squad together for SL and I'm also sure that we'd get very healthy crowds.
We just need the opportunity. However, I fear that Cumbria will be cast adrift yet again. The sturpid thing about the license system is that we could win The Championship and Challenge Cup for the next 2 years and the RFL could still 'decide' to ommit us. The license criteria can be twisted any way to suit the decision of the RFL. I'm sure they'll use the current condition of Craven Park (a stadium we own worth approx £5M) as a stick to beat us with, but out BOD insist they won't jeopardise the long term stability of the club by selling-up.
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| Quote ="SRC"Those figures are misleading at present as Fax got 3K+ for the opening of the new stand (with lots of discounted tickets). Last season Barrow and Fax averages were almost the same.
I presume you're a Warrington fan. It takes 2 hrs to get to Barrow from Liverpool airport, so less from Warrington. Do you go to look at the stadium or watch the rugby ??
We got a 6,500 sellout against Wigan last season (although rumours are the real figure was over 8,000). It was a cracking atmosphere, everyone had a great day, got a beer and could see the action. What else do you need ??
The stadium, although old, passes a safety inspection every year and has in fact had its' capacity increased in the last few months. The RFL and Sky seem obsessed with 'facilities' and are pushing several clubs into financial disaster by insisting they sell up and move into council owned stadia.
Craven Park (Barrow) will be totally redeveloped in the coming 2-3 years (this is underway already). On the field, I've no doubt that we would put a competitive squad together for SL and I'm also sure that we'd get very healthy crowds.
We just need the opportunity. However, I fear that Cumbria will be cast adrift yet again. The sturpid thing about the license system is that we could win The Championship and Challenge Cup for the next 2 years and the RFL could still 'decide' to ommit us. The license criteria can be twisted any way to suit the decision of the RFL. I'm sure they'll use the current condition of Craven Park (a stadium we own worth approx £5M) as a stick to beat us with, but out BOD insist they won't jeopardise the long term stability of the club by selling-up.
You have to respect their decision.'"
Fair enough i agree with all that but i think i'm right in saying the Wigan fans got the game free so would of taken 2.5-3k there. However, theres no doubting you have the players, and if as you say it will be totally redeveloped in the coming 2-3 years then i wouldn't mind so much |
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| Quote ="Wire_74"Fair enough i agree with all that but i think i'm right in saying the Wigan fans got the game free so would of taken 2.5-3k there. However, theres no doubting you have the players, and if as you say it will be totally redeveloped in the coming 2-3 years then i wouldn't mind so much
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Wigan brought a decent following, but the game was all-ticket and they were allocated 1,000 initially and a further 400 I think. They complained like hell about lack of tickets (as they were free to them), but we were at home and managed to sell the rest to home fans, which was fair enough IMO. |
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I think that one of Salford, Cas or Wakey will be demoted depending on which of these clubs has not at least started to physically build their stadia. As someone said earlier in the thread those three made and broke promises last time to get licences and so will have to be actually building them this time rather than showing artist's impressions etc. Salford are most likely to go due to lack of improvement on the field and abysmal crowds unless they are building and one of the others isn't. The one club that is demoted will be replaced by Widnes.
Should more than one of the three not be physically building their stadium by the time of the decision then I think that a second team should be demoted to be replaced by Barrow.
The lack of a SL club in Cumbria has often been lamented and if the RFL is serious in its desire to establish one then they should give the same opportunity to Barrow that they gave to Salford, Cas, Wakey and (Celtic) Crusaders, allowing them a licence with a single licence period to improve Craven Park or build a new home to meet SL stadia requirements (as well as stepping up their youth systems). As with the three currently at risk they should at least have commenced building by the next decision date. This licence should have the caveat that should they fail to do so by the decision date in 2014 that they will lose their licence.
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anyone know when the announcement is
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