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| I'm very well off, extremely selfish and dont give a damn about anybody else. I will vote Tory. All we need is the usual 30% of selfish idiots who mistakenly think they are well off to join us and David will get in.
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| Quote ="Lost in Leeds"I'm very well off, extremely selfish and dont give a damn about anybody else. I will vote Tory. All we need is the usual 30% of selfish idiots who mistakenly think they are well off to join us and David will get in.'"
you sound like a great guy,hope your life continues to get better,you deserve it.
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Would a hung parliament be a bad thing??....It seems to me that neither Labour or Conservatives have the talents within their own ranks to sort out the various woes this country has at present, so wouldn't some type of coalition be the ideal scenario??
Interrsting that in this time of ecomomic hardship, Vince Cable, the politician who is most highly regarded when it comes to money matters, has seemingly little chance of ever having a go in any significant role.....I honestly believe that if either of the 2 main parties guaranteed Cable the Chancellor's job, then that party would sew up the election big time.'"
I think you are bang on the button.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"I think you are bang on the button.'"
i think the main question is 'does it really matter which party wins the election?'
both will behave in the same way.
what are we actually voting for?
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| Quote ="WireFanatic II"The 3 people who voted BNP..........you going to own up?'" yea i'm one
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| Quote ="Finally Champions"Make that 4 - Are these idiots advocating our black players being kicked out of the country?'" i'm one of these "idiots" don't be so small minded voting bnp doesn't make you racist
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| Hung parliament concept is a good one. If it's done well, in a spirit of co-operation and everybody mucking in to get the country out of the hole it's in, it can work. If it's done in a spirit of the smaller partner thinking lets try and scupper things so the largest party gets the blame, and call a vote of no confidence, then its going to be pointless and sadly with these parties involved that is going to happen.
In a state of national emergency though (eg the Second World War) a national government can work well. I think there are a handful of able politicians dotted around the main parties out of whom you could make a decent government even if I wouldn't agree with their politics, eg Vince Cable, David Davis, Jon Cruddas, Menzies Campbell, William Hague, Ken Clarke, all guys with their heads screwed on and not really spin-politicians
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| let's all face facts the country is dog s@@t
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| Quote ="the original stevo"i'm one of these "idiots" don't be so small minded voting bnp doesn't make you racist'"
Most people would label the British National Party as a "racist" party. Just a momentary glance at their website, and I could find countless racist references. The way they use the term "indigenous" is hideous.
And is a party which backs the Ku Klux Klan and denies the Holocaust not racist?
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| Quote ="Finally Champions"Most people would label the British National Party as a "racist" party. Just a momentary glance at their website, and I could find countless racist references. The way they use the term "indigenous" is hideous.
And is a party which backs the Ku Klux Klan and denies the Holocaust not racist?'"
playing devils advocate here
Is denying the Holocaust 'Racist' ?
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"playing devils advocate here
Is denying the Holocaust 'Racist' ?'"
Not strictly, but I could imagine many people perceiving it as racist.
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| Quote ="Finally Champions"I'll be voting for Labour, because what people seem to happily ignore is that Labour have prevented a Recession becoming a Depression.'"
Having now wiped the tea off my screen I want to thank you for the biggest giggle I've had in a long time.
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| Quote ="PADDERS"[size=150How do make out that Labour has failed us ?[/size
The schools are better , the NHS is better the Emergency services are better All things which the conservatives destroyed, remember it was the conservatives who introduced the fuel escalator and sold off the governments jewels gas elec phones everything that made the country money we also had 15% interest rates the last time the conservatives were in power .
The recession was caused by America and greedy banks something that would have happened no matter who was in power but would have been worse if the conservatives had been there.
So explain where have labour failed us ?'"
Allowing the banks to run riot.
Uncontrolled immigration which is allowing a party like the BNP to gain support by people who feel forgotten about.
Troops being sent to an illegal war (Iraq) then returning in body bags without (during the Blair years) any member of the government showing any appreciation.
Incapcity and unemployment benefit being abused people now use the benefit system as a lifestyle choice rather than a safety net.
Preachers of hate being allowed to openly spout their racist filth on the British streets calling the 9/11 and 7/7 terrorists martyrs.
Anything else?????
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| Quote ="the original stevo"i'm one of these "idiots" don't be so small minded voting bnp doesn't make you racist'"
It either means you are very naive or not worried about racist thugs getting support.
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed"playing devils advocate here
Is denying the Holocaust 'Racist' ?'"
I'm not sure what the word is. Vile. Ludicrous. Inhuman.
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| Quote ="the original stevo"let's all face facts the country is dog s@@t'"
Course it is. As we all sit with our broadband connections discussing all the matches we will be going to, or which of the subscription channels we'll watch the NRL on. Then again, if that doesn't happen, we'll discuss how much alcohol we'll consume instead. Or which of our many games consoles we'll play on. Yeah, it's a terrible country.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"I'm not sure what the word is. Vile. Ludicrous. Inhuman.'"
i agree, just the word racist just doesn't seem to fit in this instance.
The evidence is plain to see how people can deny it when it is so obvious is beyond me. I could well understand a position of someone who felt that it had been overly politisised but to deny it is like denying there wasn't even a WWII ?
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Course it is. As we all sit with our broadband connections discussing all the matches we will be going to, or which of the subscription channels we'll watch the NRL on. Then again, if that doesn't happen, we'll discuss how much alcohol we'll consume instead. Or which of our many games consoles we'll play on. Yeah, it's a terrible country.'"
the country is in a terrible state (read mickey wires post)the things you are on about are nice to have but not essential and things like that are taken for granted..try watching the news you`ll see not everything in this garden is so rosey
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Course it is. As we all sit with our broadband connections discussing all the matches we will be going to, or which of the subscription channels we'll watch the NRL on. Then again, if that doesn't happen, we'll discuss how much alcohol we'll consume instead. Or which of our many games consoles we'll play on. Yeah, it's a terrible country.'"
The affluence of the lucky ones, doesn't disprove the point. There are a lot of areas of the UK where there is basically no hope, no education, everyone grows up trapped in a cycle of dole and anti-social behaviour and draining everyone else's tax contributions paying for their welfare and policing costs.
For a country of our wealth, we are not using our wealth well, if we compare our public services and transport network to some of our western european neighbours we are behind the ball game. I'm not saying they are all utopias as some of them have problems with unemployment and racial tension as well, but for the comparitive advantages we have we could be doing things better.
The recession has highlighted something very worrying about the UK economy for the long term. Our economy is based on very shaky foundations. Our manufacturing industry has died, we don't really produce anything, we are based on basically pushing money around and borrowing and speculating. That's why everybody gets so panicky about taxing bankers' bonuses, because if the City of London moved out there would be nothing bringing income into the country. But when you have an economy built on high finance gambling, rather than skills, it all comes down like a pack of cards when that finance sector fails, which is why the government threw money we couldn't afford and will take years of hardship to pay back, to prop it up.
Our economy is going into a steady decline and over time we will become a much poorer country unless we address this. The only way out is to seriously invest in upskilling our workforce, not just the talkshop schemes you get from New Labour, but in seriously developing the FE and HE sector, not just pushing everybody to do a mickey mouse degree but giving them options to do a higher level of education to give them a skill which they are interested in and which will be useful to the economy.
All we are going to get from New Labour is cuts to the FE sector, cuts to the HE sector, scaling back public investment, so that there are more people lounging around on the dole and everybody else has to cough up increasingly more and more to subsidise the dead part of the economy, the people who have nothing to offer and will never be able to get work regardless of whether we send all the immigrants home or not.
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"the country is in a terrible state (read mickey wires post)=#BF0000the things you are on about are nice to have but not essential and things like that are taken for granted..try watching the news you`ll see not everything in this garden is so rosey'"
Precisely my point.
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| Quote ="The All New Chester Wire"Precisely my point.'"
true...but mickeywires point hits the nail bang on the head....all you here nowadays is bad news..and the powers that be do naff all...probably the reason why people leave for a better life and you cant blame em....maybe we are the lucky ones but theres plenty who are not so fortunate
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| I shall be voting Conservative - the wife says David Cameron seems a decent sort of chap and my dad says they will finally sort out the Trade Unions once and for all ...
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| Quote ="Les Boyd Is God"....all you here nowadays is bad news..'"
Depends what you want to hear.
I hear about the [url=http://www.liverpoolphil.com/193/in-harmony/changing-communities-through-music.htmlIn Harmony project[/url which is uplifting and magical, offering one of the most deprived communities in the country some hope. Public funding in there too.
I see my daughters contributing to local environmental planning through their school.
I walk around Warrington town centre and see all sorts of goods being bought by all sorts of people.
I see St Benedicts church revived with a massive Sunday evening mass because of the number of Poles in the area.
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