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| How do Wigan know that Deacon is any good at coaching?
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| Quote ="Dawson"How do Wigan know that Deacon is any good at coaching?'"
They dont.
Its just a ploy to get most of his salary off the cap. Nice move by Wigan, shame we didn't employ Myler as a coach too
Just think we could have got jammer or moi moi too.
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| Quote ="Natters"
Its just a ploy to get most of his salary off the cap. Nice move by Wigan, shame we didn't employ Myler as a coach too
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Same ploy as we are using with Carney???...
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| Quote ="The Angry Pirate"Same ploy as we are using with Carney???...
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I dont think Carney is registering as a player is he?
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| Quote ="Live Wired"A bit like andrew johns then.'"
Yes, quite similar, but I prefer to use Allan Langer as a comparison.
Came to Wire when we were treading water and just surviving was seen as a success....Great player, and often performed admirably, only to be let down by the mediocrity around him...Ultimately, was only brought in to shift season tickets and keep some money coming in when we desparately needed it.
Matt Orford's move smells of similar....I'm thinking the Bulls weren't exactly generating much of a buzz around Bradford with the big name signings of Sculthorpe & Reardon??....Bring in a big name Aussie, who without a shadow of a doubt will be your best player for the next 3 years, but only because so much of the rest of your squad is so average.
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| Quote ="Natters"I dont think Carney is registering as a player is he?'"
Not yet....
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| Matt Orford signing for the Bulls,for me is just papering over the cracks.The Bulls are team on the slide,to many average players.
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| Quote ="robbierotten"Matt Orford signing for the Bulls,for me is just papering over the cracks.The Bulls are team on the slide,to many average players.'"
Cue Matty Orford and Bradford Bulls ripping SL apart in 2010
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| Good moves by Bulls and Wigan. The money being quoted will be way over the actual figure, no doubt, and the Bulls need a catalyst to re-spark interest. Deacon will do a good job with the inexperienced Tomkins, and will be a better half-back partner than Leulai, who is even more of a hooker than Monas.
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| if the figures are right how can bradford afford to pay one player 280k a year
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| Quote ="the original stevo"you're well out with your figures there you reackon the rest of our squad of 22 players share a million
and that wasn't my point they are struggling finacially'"
They posted a £10k loss, for the last year. Doesn't read like they are struggling financially.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"They posted a £10k loss, for the last year. Doesn't read like they are struggling financially.'" a loss is a loss and to add a player on that kind of money when you are workin on a loss doesn't make sense
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| Quote ="the original stevo"a loss is a loss and to add a player on that kind of money when you are workin on a loss doesn't make sense'"
In RL terms that is as good as it gets. As for the theoretical salary, you don't really believe that figure, do you?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"In RL terms that is as good as it gets. As for the theoretical salary, you don't really believe that figure, do you?'" it won't be far off the mark he was trying to get an improved offer at manly but to no avail i suspect that is the reason he has come over yet another end of his career over paid aussie cashing in
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| Quote ="the original stevo"a loss is a loss and to add a player on that kind of money when you are workin on a loss doesn't make sense'"
And according to this Wire lost £212,000
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?t=436941&start=15[/url
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"And according to this Wire lost £212,000
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?t=436941&start=15[/url'"
made up fact of the day.
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| Quote ="the tache is back"made up fact of the day.'"
I believe those figures are from the latest accounts registered at companies house.
If you know any different please feel free to publish.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I believe those figures are from the latest accounts registered at companies house.
If you know any different please feel free to publish.'"
They are wrong, quite significantly so.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I believe those figures are from the latest accounts registered at companies house.
If you know any different please feel free to publish.'"
Spend a quid you tight get and find out the truth.
Oi! Oi! Oi!
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| Quote ="the original stevo"you're well out with your figures there you reackon the rest of our squad of 22 players share a million
and that wasn't my point they are struggling finacially'"
Proof please? Or just received wisdom?
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| Quote ="the original stevo"you're well out with your figures there you reackon the rest of our squad of 22 players share a million
and that wasn't my point they are struggling finacially'"
I was being ironic when you consider the amount of abuse we have received in terms of our supposed salary payments.
In truth though, those figures will probably be on the ball due to tax exemptions, free housing, food, car etc They'll be plenty of legitimate ways to increse the real term value of a players contract.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"They posted a £10k loss, for the last year. Doesn't read like they are struggling financially.'"
a 10k loss is pretty insignificant compared to some clubs tbh
Quote Hull FC PROFIT £185,000
Bradford - Loss £17,000
Warrington - Loss £212,000
Cas - Loss £369,000
Saints - Loss £449,000
Rovers (2007) Loss £478,000
Wigan - Loss £592,000 (although debt they owed being written off of £1,175,000 gave them a net profit of £444,000)
Salford - Loss £832,000 (underwritten by Wilkinson)
Huddersfield - Loss £1,377,000 (underwritten by Ken Davy)
Harlequins - Loss £1,819,000 (underwritten by Lenegan and D Hughes)'"
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| Quote ="The_Wolfman"I was being ironic when you consider the amount of abuse we have received in terms of our supposed salary payments.
In truth though, those figures will probably be on the ball due to tax exemptions, free housing, food, car etc They'll be plenty of legitimate ways to increse the real term value of a players contract.'"
Except:
1. All those items (bar the first) are taxable as benefits in kind.
2. All those items are specifically caught by the salary cap - see the RFL Operational Rules.
if you really want to increase the value, you have to resort to things like (excessive payments for) image rights and through a (usually offshore) personal service company, (questionable) payments to Employee Benefit trusts, (Legitimate) Pension payments, an "unconnected" third party mysteriously paying a load to the player for his image rights or services and that player mysteriously and coincidentally agreeing to play for a much lower salary (legit if genuine...if...) or the brown paper bag (illegal).
Obvioulsy, no responsible club would want to resort to the more questionable items on that list.
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