Manifestos, whether BNP or not, aren't worth the paper they are written on, and let's be serious, Griffin isn't going to write about his hatred for Non-Whites for all to see because that would simply expose him for the bigot he truly is.

I certainly don't begrudge Griffin his views however, just that unlike a few people on here, I can see past his 'political' front and instead focus on his racist thuggery.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" Most posters on here may have a greater understanding of your own views if you used language they understand. You could have simplified it as...... "Every man for himself"

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" Most posters on here may have a greater understanding of your own views if you used language they understand. You could have simplified it as...... "Every man for himself"

I hope the BNP can pressurise the government to kick the Ghurka's out of this country. Bunch of pensioners living off the welfare state.

Is there anybody stupid enough on here to fall for this one???...

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" see harry enfields tim nice but dim. gosh i really am the reincarnation of young william hague at the tory party conference years ago. any unfortunates out there take solace in the fact that wires 71 will use you as a shoe shine boy for no wages at all,nice.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" see harry enfields tim nice but dim. gosh i really am the reincarnation of young william hague at the tory party conference years ago. any unfortunates out there take solace in the fact that wires 71 will use you as a shoe shine boy for no wages at all,nice.

I don't think the BNP are advocating apartheid....apartheid was where a bunch of immigrants came to a country, took it over, and passed a set of laws to treat the natives as second class citizens.

mmm really? how do you come to that conclusion?

the bnp have a very thin, nearly transparent veneer covering hate and xenophobia.

anything else they tell you is rubish, naivity is believing that they have any other agenda.
i've been to bergen belson and witnessed the by product of nationalism.
it all starts with control of minorities and results in ethnic clensing.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" we are so politically different it's staggering

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" we are so politically different it's staggering

A right, a freedom, ney, an honour that Nazi parties stand to abolish. The BNP, The National Front, 'Skinheads in Suits' if you like, represent Nazi values.



Yes, but if YOU have freedom of expression, surely so does everybody else? Therefore, if you are free to vote BNP, I am free to criticise? See how it works?


No, it's people like Nick Griffin my Grandfather lost friends in battle to keep us from. How very dare you insult his and their memory with a statement like that?!



Because, Warrington is a north west seat in Parliament. Nick Griffin holds a north west European Parliament seat. Very relevant, I feel, and much more worthy of sensible debate and discussion than a couple of scruffy brothers from Burnage IMO.

The problem lies that with rights, privellages, come responsibilities.
In this country, we have the privellage to be free to vote. We do, however, have a responsibilty of care to our fellow man and a responsibility to vote for the party we believe best suited to the election. The recent election was a Local Parliament election, the general consesus is that many people voted 'blind', not really looking at the parties' manifestos and policies.

The arguement that immigrants ruin Britian, IMO, is short sighted and ignorant - at very best!
Are we talking about the same britain here? The britain that had a global empire and ruled India for years? The britain who's greatest export is people? Australia and america being two examples where little trace of their heritage is left, instead a white, anglo species is dominant?
Britain, where hundreds of thousands of people leave everyyear for a new life in foreign countries? They are called expats, why not immigrants? That's what they are.
This country was built by immigrants - the romans built our roads and our towns, the vikings, french and germans gave us our expansive linguistic options. How far back do we go before we are british? The irish navis that aided the industrial revolution, they were immigrants. The ghurkas were, too. As was the cheap, but industrious labour that came to britain in th 60s when we needed.

Very much ruining the country indeed.

Amongst other things, the BNP's main beliefs include:
To be 'British', you cannot be non-white, regardless of how long many generations of your family have been British; you cannot be any religion other than Christian; you cannot be homosexual.
These are just a few examples. If this still doesn't phase you, how about the fact that they oppose WWII on the grounds that we fought with our own race - they actually praise Hitler!
Furthermore, the party is made up of ignorant, sexist bigots, several of whom are convicted rapists. They promote sexism to the extent of the private sphere, ie husbands/fathers the head of the household and women as inferior yet this is one of the traits of Islam that the BNP claim to oppose!

A girl I know who studies politics at Man Met summed up the BNP as "a racist, fascist, anti semetic, homophobic, islamophobic, sexist, nazi party proud of their holocaust denial".

I don't see the problem, either.

well said

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.4


What i thought, I Liberal-centrist (it says so on my facebook).
Is Socialism and the left that took the hammering across europe... Shame. That's what's needed, but the hard right succeeds in hard times.

I have just tried to dig up a link to a Frank Skinner edtoral piece in the times from a week ago about gving the uneducated the vote. If you find it and get the chance to read it let me know your thoughts....

erm, I thought...,,er,,, having see their propaganda.... er.... muslim state.. You playing devils' again?

If we ever meet lets stick to talking about our joint love of the Wire eh? your political nous is akin to a schoolkids or worse still you believe what you type which would be frightening.

Spoil the ballot (put a cross in every box). Won't count as a vote but will record that you voted

Quite agree. Making the point by turning up. I read that spoilt papers were at a record high this year "may icluding offensive comments" fair do's. I would rather ed off voters did this than vote for fascist idiots to make their point.

No, I'm pointing out that there's a difference between ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of separatism and anti-immigration.

The BNP's manifesto policies are the second rather than the first although where the situation gets murky is that some of their big fish individuals have come from a racial supremacy background.

In every left wing organisation you will get some hard line Trotskyists who are secretly hoping to take their own agenda further than the organisation intends, and in every right wing organisation you will get some racial supremacists. Usually the type who go out of their way to discuss how much exaggerated the Holocaust was.

I don't think its a major disaster when the BNP take some seats because over time the more they become integrated into the political system the more they lose their anti-establishment rebel appeal. Most of their support is based around white van man who reads the papers and hates immigrants. If the BNP ended up taking a local council, then white van man isn't going to care about his councillors arguments to prove the Holocaust was a lie, he's going to be complaining when his bins aren't collected and the council's not run well, he will end up saying "BNP are just as bad as the bloody rest of them" and either find another anti-establishment party to vote for or more likely not bother voting altogether.

Fringe parties only tend to have appeal when they are on the outside shouting, once they get in the system it becomes harder to criticise it.

I was pulling your leg, hence the smiley. I've met you a number of times and always thought you were a decent guy. We just share different political views.

Tache in 'different view cue insult' shocker

Is the BNP becoming a real alternative in local government a theory or one you believe will happen in the near future?

The BNP ideology of seperatism does tickle me though. We are as much a mongrel nation as any other, albeit with slight longer blood lines.

For all those wringing their hands at the BNP getting a couple of seats, whilst not being bothered to vote themselves (and I include myself in this), remember this:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" _ Edward Burke

As has been mentioned elsewhere; rights come with responsibilites. It is easy to forget that, with the amount of freedom we have.

If you look at the BNP policies a lot of them are simple common sense and many would agree with them. However, they would not agree with what is the underlying motivation behind why they put the policies forward. You suspect that it is a thin veneer of respectability (the two MEPs are very plausible and speak well) and if you dig deeper you would uncover their murky underbelly.

Shame really as many of the issues should be openly discussed without fear of being labelled 'racist'.

i actually think you are alright it's just when politics pop up on here in the past you have come across a bit sanctamoniously,not everyone maybe as fortunate as you no matter how hard they work for it,rather than concentrate on things like a choice of health provider why not comment on how lucky we are to have a national health service in this country,i have paid for private healthcare in the past,that saved me a 6 month wait for surgery but cost me a considerable sum.
why we contiually drum the nhs down in this country is beyond me after all if you get hurt in the home,workplace or on the roads it will be the nhs that comes in your hour of need not bupa.
if you think that the minimum wage is a bad idea then why don't you try to live on it then?
isn't our society all about helping individuals better themselves or helping the more unfortunates,the tory party have flown in the face of this during it's entire duration.
i live a comfortable life,nobody has given me anything i've not worked for but i wouldn't want to live it at the expense of somebody else.

Tache I appreciate the reply. It's not that I am sactimonious nor particularily fortunate, it's just I take a different view.

I believe the private sector is more efficient than public sector by virtue of the motivations behind each ideology. I am a believer in health care free at the point of need, but this does not need to mean it is delivered by a public organisation. I would rather have competing private enterprise engaged by the government to deliver the service, and for me, to have the choice of which organisation to use. The same applies for education. We only need to look at the how privatisation has enabled greater choice and service to the consumer. A classic example of this was the privatisation of BT. Prior to privatisation you had to wait weeks to get a new line and one company had the monopoly. Through competition and efficiency we now have a wide range of potential suppliers and a higher level of service. Same goes for gas, electricity and water.

I do not believe in the minimum wage as I do not like the state interferring in the private sector. I would rather market forces apply such that each person is paid according to their worth with the choice of course that they do not have to take the job if they do not wish to.

I believe in the power of the individual to develop, grow and achieve with the state existing to enable them to do so, not reigning them back by over taxation and beaurocracy. Remember whilst I am against minimum wage, I'm also for lower taxation and choice.

I am a true egalitarian and wish everyone to be able to succeed regardless of background, race, disability or sex. If pushed I actually would prefer to see people from working class backgrounds be encouraged more to start businesses and succeed, just like they did under Thatcher.

"I don't need you, I already have your [url=http://youth.bnp.org.uk/mission-statementchildren[/url"

no probs mate,everyone has different views.