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| Quote ="Ian [77"Didn't Byrn also say that the '10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife' thing ISN'T ironic but that if you took hours to find a knife only to discover that a spoon would have done in the 1st place it would be?'"
Indeed he did Spoons and traffic pending I'm off to see Mr Byrn at the Lowry soon, looking forward to it.
A wonderful case of irony is the attempted assination of Ronald Reagan. The assassin, John Hinkley, missed Reagan with all his shots but one bullet bounced off the bullet-proof window of the presidential car and hit Reagan in the chest.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Indeed he did
Spoons and traffic pending I'm off to see Mr Byrn at the Lowry soon, looking forward to it.
A wonderful case of irony is the attempted assination of Ronald Reagan. The assassin, John Hinkley, missed Reagan with all his shots but one bullet bounced off the bullet-proof window of the presidential car and hit Reagan in the chest.'"
i'm not a fan of mr byrne, i was never all that keen on him when he used to be on them late night stand up shows in the mid 90's, he was always just a bit too desperate for me. Then i thought he sold out when he cut his trademark hair, he's tolerable on mock the week though
BUT. for me he'll forever be tainted for taking part in the god awful 'DAVINA' sit com project.
i can still smell that from this year.
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| Quote ="Rictoria Cat"i'm not a fan of mr byrne, i was never all that keen on him when he used to be on them late night stand up shows in the mid 90's, he was always just a bit too desperate for me. Then i thought he sold out when he cut his trademark hair, he's tolerable on mock the week though
BUT. for me he'll forever be tainted for taking part in the god awful 'DAVINA' sit com project.
i can still smell that from this year.'"
LOL luckily for me I missed the DAVINA thing. He's not my favourite but passable and at £13 a ticket you cant go far wrong.
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| Quote ="Wires71"icon_smile.gif
Test - Is the resultant outcome the direct opposite of that intended with comic effect? Answer - Nope.
Ed Byrn summed it up nicely when he was ribbing the "Isnt it ironic" song referring to a traffic jam which a town council planner was stuck in which caused the town planner to miss the meeting which was to discuss the easement of traffic congestion.'"
Right, now we've established just what irony really is, can we establish what it is that we often mistakenly describe on here as irony. For example, if a Wigan fan said he'd heard we were over the salary cap and if so it's not fair, he might get the response "that's ironic coming from a Wigan fan". When clearly, it's actually not. But what is it?
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| Quote ="SEB"Right, now we've established just what irony really is, can we establish what it is that we often mistakenly describe on here as irony. For example, if a Wigan fan said he'd heard we were over the salary cap and if so it's not fair, he might get the response "that's ironic coming from a Wigan fan". When clearly, it's actually not. But what is it?'"
just to help this along
Quote i⋅ro⋅ny1 /ˈaɪrəni, ˈaɪər-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er- Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -nies. 1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend. 2. Literature. a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
b. (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3. Socratic irony.
4. dramatic irony.
5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6. the incongruity of this.
7. an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8. an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc. '"
i'd say that sounds more like sarcasm the bit i've highlighted.
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| Quote ="Rictoria Cat"
i'd say that sounds more like sarcasm the bit i've highlighted.'"
Me too..
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"Is anyone else getting a bit naffed off with the 'official' site?
Its constantly trying to flog stuff or advertise stuff and completely fails to provide relevant RL related news stories or features apart from squad announcements or the odd interview.
I know the club has to be commercial but please, enough is enough.
There is still no fixture list for the reserves, so anyone who is interested in them wont have a clue when they are playing or who against.
And why dont they have weekly interviews with players and coaches?'"
FACT 1: Being the owner of a website myself I know how difficult they are to maintain. They generate very little income in comparison to the amount of time and effort spent updating them and therefore can attract little investment - unless you are the BBC or SKy e.t.c when you can charge your licence payers/subscribers for your services.
FACT 2: Why would the club invest time and effort interviewing their own players when there are numerous other media already fulfilling that role. Surley the club's efforts should focus on generating revenue and playing rugby. I mean I have even been accused on here of asking questions that the club have written for me!!
FACT 3: Most web users expect everything for free - and like most things in life you get what you pay for.
FACT4: How on earth do you expect anyone from the club to take your comments seriously when yoru write under the name you have chosen!!
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| Quote ="Garyskent"FACT4: How on earth do you expect anyone from the club to take your comments seriously when yoru write under the name you have chosen!!
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Good point, well made.
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| Quote ="Garyskent"FACT4: How on earth do you expect anyone from the club to take your comments seriously when yoru write under the name you have chosen!!
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Thats totally irrelevant Gary and you know it. For all you know and care I could be Stephen Hawkins avin a laff
FACT5: How on gods planet can you expect anyone to take you seriously as an impartial journalist when we all know you have to lick the clubs booty just to get access for the interviews!!
Maybe that answers your original thread question
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"Thats totally irrelevant Gary and you know it. For all you know and care I could be Stephen Hawkins avin a laff
FACT5: How on gods planet can you expect anyone to take you seriously as an impartial journalist when we all know you have to lick the clubs booty just to get access for the interviews!!
Maybe that answers your original thread question
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1 - Quite relevant if you ask me. You're always asking for heads to roll if you think they are breaking the AUP, fairly hypocritical that.
2 - I'd like to see you arrange any kind of player interview, just to show it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. Gary puts a lot of hard work into journalism and his business, only for people like you to slag him off at every available opportunity. As I say, if you think you can do a better job, put your money where your mouth is and try it
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| Quote ="RAI of Sunshine"1 - Quite relevant if you ask me. You're always asking for heads to roll if you think they are breaking the AUP, fairly hypocritical that.
2 - I'd like to see you arrange any kind of player interview, just to show it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. Gary puts a lot of hard work into journalism and his business, only for people like you to slag him off at every available opportunity. As I say, if you think you can do a better job, put your money where your mouth is and try it'"
One of the mods has the word in his user name. I cant see what is wrong with penis, I could think of a lot worse.
Also I dont doubt garys workrate or his skill, in fact I quite enjoy his interviews and watch them all (apart from broomheads). However, the interviews are fairly safe and the real tough questions are not asked for obvious reasons ie,Gary is probably briefed by Greg about what he can and cant ask and if he deviates from this will probably never be allowed back into the hj. Its the same with all sports and sport journalism, did anyone see that recent pre match interview with David Moyes?
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"One of the mods has the word mickey in his user name. I cant see what is wrong with penis, I could think of a lot worse.
Also I dont doubt garys workrate or his skill, in fact I quite enjoy his interviews and watch them all (apart from broomheads). However, the interviews are fairly safe and the real tough questions are not asked for obvious reasons ie,Gary is probably briefed by Greg about what he can and cant ask and if he deviates from this will probably never be allowed back into the hj. Its the same with all sports and sport journalism, did anyone see that recent pre match interview with David Moyes?'"
FACT 1: They wouldn't get to be a moderator on my site with a name like that and I have absolutely no say on what goes on on here!
FACT2: Greg does not brief me and I don't duck any difficult issues - with the pre season interview with Jimmy the first question I asked him was what was it like being the hot favourite for the sake. I am sure he would rather I did'nt ask such questions - but it was relevant and factual as the bookies had him as favourite until Brian Noble's exploits with Wigan.
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| Quote ="Garyskent"...the first question I asked him was what was it like being the hot favourite for the sake.'"
An aquired taste that stuff...
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| Quote ="Garyskent"FACT 1: Apply for a job in your pen name and see how far you get.
You also need an apostrophe between the r's to ensure you remain attached to your manhood!
FACT 2: I am not a boot licker - I just try and show a little respect when dealing with fellow human beings unlike some of the posters on here!
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Re Fact1 - As if I would ever do that
Re Fact2 - I actually said Booty Licker not boot licker. And also your interviews are too safe ie, boring and thats why people probably choose not to watch them.
If you ask for feedback Gary at least be man enough to accept it and hopefully act upon it. There is no malice at all in my reply, like I say I enjoy your interviews and respect your work.
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"Re Fact1 - As if I would ever do that
Re Fact2 - I actually said Booty Licker not boot licker. And also your interviews are too safe ie, boring and thats why people probably choose not to watch them.
If you ask for feedback Gary at least be man enough to accept it and hopefully act upon it. There is no malice at all in my reply, like I say I enjoy your interviews and respect your work.'"
Why don't you stick your balls on the line and ask the questions that will risk your career in sports journalism?
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| Quote ="RAI of Sunshine"Why don't you stick your balls on the line and ask you the questions that will risk your career in sports journalism?'"
Errrr cos I aint in sports journalism sunshine
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"Errrr cos I aint in sports journalism sunshine
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So what right have you to criticise someone elses technique?
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| Quote ="RAI of Sunshine"So what right have you to criticise someone elses technique?'"
Oh my lord.
If you look what ive written and read it properly you should understand that i haven't criticised garys style or technique at all. I have stated that his interviews are too safe to be interesting to the average fan and thats why he gets poor viewing figures.
We all know why he has to play it safe, if he didn't the club would not allow him access. Thats the simple truth of the matter sunshine. In effect, its not garys fault or problem. Im sure he would love to ask more risque questions.
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| Quote ="Roger Whittakers Penis"In effect, its not garys fault or problem. Im sure he would love to ask more risque questions.'"
"Hey Jimmy, I bet you'd love to give that Roger Whittakers Penis a good seeing to wouldn't you?"
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| Quote ="SEB"Right, now we've established just what irony really is, can we establish what it is that we often mistakenly describe on here as irony. For example, if a Wigan fan said he'd heard we were over the salary cap and if so it's not fair, he might get the response "that's ironic coming from a Wigan fan". When clearly, it's actually not. But what is it?'"
Rich? Short sighted?
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