Does this mean we can get rid of Mark Gleeson now then?

He stays, that's another clause

Also this has put us over ther salary cap but a special deal has been done with the RFL that enables us to partially pay certain players in sherbet dib-dabs, wispa bars and american cream soda.

The landlords of Warrington will be delighted too, no doubt.

Yawn.

He had a good season this year in my opinion. I don't see where all the citicism came from.

I'll bet he'll have a superb season this time round, with King on the left side many defences will have more than one strike player to worry about.

I would love to be paid in those three items.

Doubt it, very rarely goes out in Warrington

let's another good 3 years gleese

excellent news for the club and shows that he wants to play for us

absolute rubbish his name will be one of the first on Tony Smiths team sheet for the world cup.....

Yeaman Looks a cert for the other centre berth and after those two you are struggling for a decent English Centre so while the also rans like the Kevin Browns, and Chav Walkers of the world ARE a million miles behind anything in Aus, Gleeson is most certainly not.

Be interesting to hear your views on O'loughlin as being one of the best back rowers in the World...???

Beats going out in the hole that is Leigh, I reckon.

The rest of your post does just that.

A few quick bullets, as I can't be d.

1. He's never been quick. He may have been quicker at Hudds when we was 7 years younger and about 3 stone lighter agreed.

2. He's been far & away more productive for us than he was at Saints, at the best team in the league so how has his form dipped.

3. Coupled with the above, his winger has scored 20+ tries for the last 3 years.

4. The likes of Reardon & Penny have also profited from Glees' when playing outside of him.

5. His physical condition is fine, the only time he looked magnifique was when he'd been a silly boy and he pumped iron for 6 mths, what do you suggest, we ban him again, just so he'll look cut up in a top in flares.

6. He's not world class, but he's as good as Britain have got.

7. As mentioned a billion times, he'll profit far more than anybody else in a Warrington shirt from our recruitment this year, the added threat that we'll produce on the left will force defenders to leave others iscolated opposing Gleeson, 1 vs 1 there's not many better than he still.

good point

Il respond to each point individually.

1. Gaining weight should not slow you down leam muscle mass if you condition youself correctly will lead to improvements in maximal strength which in turn can be converted to power, power is the ability to produce force quickly over a short period of time, which means increased power = increased speed.

2.The stats may say he has been more productive yes but that does mean he has been a better player? Of course not it simply means he has had more opportunity in the Wire team than he did at Saints, because they could break teams in other areas. It would be interesting to see a ratio of the times his ball is in his hands to assisst ratio, if that stat is available and shows he has a higher percentage conversionm in a Wire shirt i will agree with you. From what i have seen he converted more of his chances at Saints, anecdotal evidance but unill we get empiracle evidence on that its the best we have.

3.See point 2.

4.see point 2

5. His physical condition is not fine he is clearly carrying excess dead weight, if all he did was pump iron and not cnvert it to power through a periodized process in those 6 months your conditioning staff want shooting.

6.Agree although Senior does seem to have found a resurgance in form this last year.

7.If his try assists go down next year due to the added quality does it mean he will have played worse, or does it mean you have relied on him less, see point 2.

he just can't win if he does one thing he's e and if he does another he's e.


Have a read of this, especially the bit in bold, then go round gleeson's house, tell him stats are meaningless and he should retire.

Nobody claims he is.

Kevin Ashcroft does, had to stifle my giggles reading the metro this morning whilst the garry schofield of this side of the pennines proclaimed that sideshow lockers had surpassed farrell's level of greatness.

I dont think that at all. Whats this got to do with Lockers anyway?

FWIW Lockers performed well in the games against NZ - No-one can deny that, im just waiting for him to perform like that for wigan.

In all honesty, i do tend to air on the side of caution when reading stats/information posted by an individual, who, in all honesty, looks to struggle with the spelling of their own personal name.

All you lot seem to do is pick up on my spelling, i am sorry i am dyslexic i will try harder to correct this but it happens i am sorry, if you are unable to understand my post due to poor spelling i am sorry, but if you can at least attempt to give an opinion on the topic in hand.

Now regarding stats nobody anywhere is saying that they are not a valid tool of assessment and here is where you have to use a little brain power and the point you all seem to be missing they have to be used in context.

Comparing stats is not a valid tool between clubs due to many many influencing external factors, ie team orders style of play stengths and weakness of players in your own team game plan etc.....

I advocate stats wholeheartedly but if they are not used or analysed in the correct context they are meaningless.

The try assists comparrison stat is not a valid comparrison between clubs, if he drops to the National League makes 100 assists is he a better player? What i am saying is that if he has a storming season next year but due to the likes of King getting a fair bit of attacking ball as im sure he will, certainly more than Gleeson who is then unable to get his assist stats up is he a worse player?

If he had Calderwood outside him who would not have scored the tries that his outgoing wingpartner has hence would not have generated the same number of assits would this mean Gleeson was a poorer player? No.

I would suggest in this case the only real valid cross club is as stated about ratio of assits to ball carry or meters made per carry average etc.

'periodized process'?

Are you Paul Cullen in disguise?

Incidentally, if you are dyslexic is your name actually John? Just trying to be helpful as nobody may have told you that you are spelling your name incorrectly.

no i am someone who knows about conditioning elite rugby league players, periodization is a basic concept of this. Ny username is correct, cheers if you could read it has already been mentioned in the post above.

as usual some of our posters prefer to try and patronise and gang up on a supporter of another clubs team rather than listen to his views

jonh you make some interesting points about the conditioning, one thing I remember about Gleeson is an interview in RLWorld magazine just after he'd joined Warrington where he said that he'd put on a lot of muscle bulk in the off season (before 2004) because Apollo Perelini had come to Saints and had a superb conditioning routine. I thought his best form was in the seasons 2004-05 (last year at Saints, first year at Warrington), he was less good in 2006 but last season was ok.

Also regardless of what his physical appearance is, the real proof comes in the empirical evidence, eg his on field stats and his gym performance, whilst we don't have access to those, I remember talking to someone at the club a year or so back who told me that Gleeson was the best in the club in lots of the areas where their fitness is assessed.

In Monaghan and Chris Hicks Warrington have signed two players who were very fit in the NRL and time will tell whether they are in as good shape at Warrington next season, although I think a player who really knows what he is doing in terms of keeping his body in peak condition, will keep in that way whatever regime he is under.

See - Jon Clarke.