utter tosh, look at his record against Charnleys, one has been in superleague doing it for fun for years the other is Liam Kay....they still need scoring...yeah against part time opposition, which time for trinity? The first when they released him or this time? I do my homework thanks and watched him a lot, especially at Leigh, I can tell you then he wasnt even their best winger, pretty much how hes not even in the top 2 wingers at Wakefield, hes not even played 40 games in his 9 years pro career in superleague

If you had done your homework then you'd know that Wakefield did not let him go, he was out of contract and the club could not match Leigh's offer, consequently ending up there, it appears that doing your homework isn't a strongpoint of yours

Saints and Wigan have kind of earned the right to a bit of arrogance and expectancy, they’re proven winners, up until recently Leeds have too. Wire fans / players don’t have that right. Nowhere near consistent enough and nowhere near enough league titles and cup wins. You spend big but it’s not always working. I expect massive improvement throughout the season from you and do think you’ll challenge in the play offs but at the moment you can’t expect this like saints / Wigan do.

couldnt or wouldnt.....

also they let him go to doncaster on DR at 21 cos he was a world beater eh....

Thought you'd done your homework


Talking of which seeing as you compared them, didn't the mighty pie eaters themselves let Charnley go to Hull KR on loan for a spell themselves

Josh Charnley also had a loan spell at Blackpool Panthers during which time he played against Doncaster.

wasnt touted as a future international or thought as the next big thing........

Interesting angle. I'd say our expectancy, or at least mine, comes down to money. We've been the biggest spenders in the league (or one of them) for about 14/15 years now. We have far too little to show for it.

When you're paying a lot more for your players than your opposition, it should be expected that you'll beat them a lot more times than not.

For many reasons over the years, especially in the last 8/9, we've constantly fallen short. Many people, including me, think that's down to a culture that doesn't have the elite mentality that Wigan and Saints have. We play the likes of Wakefield and expect to win without putting in the effort.

That lack of excellence and effort is something Wigan and Saints don't stand for. We seem accepting of it.

Maybe it's a bit of a paradox, in that it's hard to have that mentality without winning trophies but to win trophies you need that mentality. Hence, 0 Grand Final wins.

Neither was Liam Kay, not sure what your point is/was comparing the two.

Because I have an opinion? Sigh. Not that I have to justify myself to you but…

It’s an observation based on the last previous couple of games lacking in effort. I’m still enjoying learning a bit of RL but it doesn’t take a seasoned to fan to know people will vote with their feet. If this board is any indication of the general view in the town I’m not shocked by the attendance . I chose Warrington as my in-laws are from the town - we have a family WhatsApp group - half a dozen of them haven’t been yet this season out of apathy. I’ve been to more games and I live 90 minutes away.

It’s common sense it would be a low attendance - I had a season ticket at Wrexham FC for a few years (well well before Hollywood got involved) - I’ve watched games in 2500 crowds (and Welsh cup games of about 750 when it was the Premier cup) as the last few seasons has been let downs you could tell you were were shaping up for mediocrity a dozen games in. Actually - that’s reminded me - I did go to a couple of Crusaders games way back when so no, I have seen a rugby league game before (one was against Wigan who out numbered the home support, can’t recall the other)

I go to sport to be entertained and see some effort, also a bit to people watch and have a couple of pints. I’m not likely to be the only person like that. For me it’s a fifty quid trip when I work in ticket, couple of pints, parking, bit of diesel. Surely you can see that it’s not rocket science that people will be sussing out £50 quid on watching RL or £50 on a family activity doing something else.

quote from you

"As an academy player at both Bradford and Trinity, he was touted as a future international."

If that's a quote from me, I'd be more than happy for you to put up the actual quote, out of your depth springs to mind here squire, having said that, you'd be out of your depth in a car park puddle

I've been in a crowd of just over 1,000 at Wilderspool for a cup tie with Runcorn Highfield, and 85,000+ at Wembley. For every low, there's a high.

pretty sure the first WCC game in 97 was as low as this

Leigh Centurions have never had a crowd as low as 2,627.

Seen as your reluctant to identify the post you accuse me of posting, I thought I'd do it for you as above, no need for a reply as I think you've proved yourself stupid enough

Congratulations.

Last season Leigh Centurions had much lower crowds.

Ha Ha, Leigh (we) have attendances lower than that virtually every season.

And an equally interesting reply mate. I kind of get what you’re saying but money doesn’t buy wins and trophies as Leeds found out for years before getting it right and dropping on RL with the GG. Yes your squad will probably cost a good 35% more than wakeys but the game isn’t played on paper. Who would you say is getting better value for money out of their players? Just because they cost more doesn’t necessarily mean they’re better players. King a prime example signed a mega deal on the back of a good start to a season and then just stagnated at best. Both Hall and Lyne were far better over the two games, same with Matautia who be always seen as a flat track bully he’s good when it’s easy. The pleasing thing about Sunday was the win was without two of the best and highest paid players in Fifita and Johnstone. Equally pleasing was the amount of home grown talent now playing in the first team. Jowitt Kay Murphy Hall (started at wakey then went Wigan and Leeds) Pitt’s Batchelor Crowther Aydin all came through the ranks as did Johnstone and also Harry Bowes (great name tangfanstic!) has featured and there’s Lee Kershaw who’s currently injured plus 4 or 5 more waiting for a chance, that’s a rarity for a club like ours but it shows they’re building the right way and trying to grow from the bottom up and spending money on quality such as Lino Miller and Fifita Lyne etc (put lineham in there too but I don’t actually rate him). You’ve got a few home growners too but are you happy with the standard they play at? I’m not saying all wakeys players are better than yours by any means and most of you would probably only take a couple compared to what what you have of your own but when it comes to value for money at this moment in time we’re way in front.

I thought you said no one said he was touted as an international?....then proved my point for me, thanks

I bet the nights fly by in your house

Wakefield have been generally able to punch above their weight (in terms of financial resources) for most of the past two decades. Different coaches, different players come and go but they seem to retain this ability to achieve more than other clubs would in the same situation. They have a good culture that persists.

Whereas our ability to punch below our weight seems to also persist through different coaches and different players.

aw bless

and that's enough of that thanks