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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"While Goodwin was good on Thursday, was there any evidence that he is a ‘wingers centre’ any more than Atkins?
I don’t recall Lineham being passed the ball, and the chance Goodwin had to put Lineham in he cut back inside for his own try.
Not knocking him, and may be just the conditions and style of the game, but he looked more of an Atkins than a Hiku.'"
We've watched Atkins for many years. We've seen Bryson Goodwin play one match. Bit early to be judging a guy who played centre for New Zealand more than ten times I'd have thought?
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| I think Price is more qualified to play Goodwin where ever he thinks he'll get the best out of him and the team as seeing him week in and week out.
Many of us didn't know the first think about him. Other than subscription tv and early rising in the morrows how could they?
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| For two or three seasons now we have been starting the season with injuries so are we missing the boat when it comes to signing the right players ,trying to save money by buying crocks or are our rehab & training methods not working ?
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"We've watched Atkins for many years. We've seen Bryson Goodwin play one match. Bit early to be judging a guy who played centre for New Zealand more than ten times I'd have thought?'"
Like I said, I’m not having a go at him. I just didn’t see anything to suggest he’s going to be a creative type of centre, which is fine, sometimes a direct centre can be just as effective. I just wouldn’t want to set the bar too high expecting a Lyon/Gidley style ‘wingers centre’. Atkins has been effective for us, and I hope Goodwin will be as effective, hopefully more so.
And regarding the NZ caps. That doesn’t always suggest that a player is going to be a world beater. Mr Asotasi probably has 20+ caps and was mediocre when he played for us, at a similar age/time in his career.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I think Price is more qualified to play Goodwin where ever he thinks he'll get the best out of him and the team as seeing him week in and week out.
Many of us didn't know the first think about him. Other than subscription tv and early rising in the morrows how could they?'"
I watched highlights of an NRL game and the commentators stated they thought Goodwin was one of the best Bunnies players last year. I’m inclined to trust those guys more than my own eyes based on one performance, where I actually thought he looked head and shoulders above the current England first choice Centre opposite him anyway.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Patton is available. He pulled his ham 2 weeks before game 1 but it wasn't as bad as initial thoughts...and my post.
King and Crosby were both out of preseason with long term injuries and not released because they have a contract.
So...
We are left with 2 players from your 5 we technically signed injured.'"
King already has shown a vulnerability to repeated injury.
Crosby didn't feature much in 2016 so I am surprised that he is not fit until March 2018.
So we have an injury issue of our own and then we compound by signing injured players, or players needing pre-season surgery.
A lot of our expectations for a better 2018 are based on the new recruits filling the void of the 2017 post season exodus.
With Patton and Brown in the halves vs Huddersfield another defeat is likely on the cards.
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| Does anyone know for sure that Roberts is out?
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| Quote ="Wires71"Out of the SL are we the club with the most injured/unavailable players out of the squad after game 1?
Is this just bad luck or a symptom of signing inured players, keeping injury prone players or suboptimal conditioning and rehab?
(5/25)
King (Toby)
Crosby
Akauola
Roberts
Patton'"
Giants are missing
cudjoe
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lawrence
walne
mellor
simpson
wardle
and possibly Mcgillvary
yours is a minor blip compared to us.
PS: The legends bar at the stadium will be open from 6pm, it's a HGSA members bar but non members and away fans will be admitted for £1, beats the long queues at the Ropewalk
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| Quote ="easyWire"Does anyone know for sure that Roberts is out?'"
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| Quote ="moving on..."He did sod all. could've put a cardboard cut out on the pitch and it would've offered the same. It was Atkins and Russell who allowed Ryan Hall to stroll right between them. Ratch copped a load of stick for that tackle, he managed to get across from the middle of the park. not an easy thing to get in front of someone whos at full pace and you're running sideways.'"
Ratch copped a load of stick because any decent last line of defense would of made the tackle...and he didn't. Irrespective of whether Atkins and Russell were also to blame for allowing the initial tackle bust. Not the first time he has done that either i might add....
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| It's not just missing the tackle though is it? If you can't make it then at the very least slow the runner down, make him break stride/change direction - I think he's now into double figures with these kind of misses. The only improvement is that at least he didn't deliberately pretend to be fooled by the runner's footwork in order to avoid even attempting the tackle.
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| Quote ="Longbarn Wire"Ratch copped a load of stick because any decent last line of defense would of made the tackle...and he didn't. Irrespective of whether Atkins and Russell were also to blame for allowing the initial tackle bust. Not the first time he has done that either i might add....'"
It is a big weakness of Russell in that he can’t turn easily. He gets stepped, as well as struggling to defend grubbers into his corner (certainly last year). I expect Brough to kick him to kingdom come, and also to expose our current massive weakness under the high ball (across the park). That’s not just based on last week’s game but also on pre-season where we didn’t seem to communicate or compete for the high ball. A tad worrying I’m sure you’ll agree...
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| Quote ="Longbarn Wire"any decent last line of defense would of made the tackle..'"
I like your posts mate...but that is a load of tosh pal.
To point a finger at a fullback and say to indicate he should do on his own what 12 men in front of him couldn't is wrong.
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| Brown + Patton in the halves?
Jeez! add another number to the L column. 2nd game in and I am already depressed.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I like your posts mate...but that is a load of tosh pal.
To point a finger at a fullback and say to indicate he should do on his own what 12 men in front of him couldn't is wrong.'"
Its harsh if its an isolated incident, but it isn't. The 12 men in front, whoever misses the tackle should take the blame, correct. However, IMO this scenario has happened too many times. His tackling is shocking at times, so questions should be asked. Some may think i am being hard on Stef, but its just my opinion.
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| Wire to put a clear 12-20 on them.
We must be a better with a fit Patton than with an unfit Roberts.
Wire will improve on last week because of it.
Easy win.
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| Quote ="Longbarn Wire"Its harsh if its an isolated incident, but it isn't. The 12 men in front, whoever misses the tackle should take the blame, correct. However, IMO this scenario has happened too many times. His tackling is shocking at times, so questions should be asked. Some may think i am being hard on Stef, but its just my opinion.'"
No mate...it isn't harsh.
It's plain wrong!
The roll of a fullback isn't to drop in behind the defensive line. It's not like he's a goalie. He stays in the defensive line, perhaps marshaling it too. If he drops back the line is weaker.
He may drop back towards the later in the tackle count if he anticipates a kick.
The best fullbacks in our game do the least tackling, many of them being converted halfbacks.
Michael Withers fb at Bradford was told he was to make no attempt to tackle wherever possible by Mathew Elliot. The roll of the fb had changed to one of an attack spine of backs away from that of the traditional 6 and 7.
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| Well if Patton is in the halves tonight it really is last chance saloon for me,because if he doesn’t shine tonight then he will only ever be a back up half. He as had more than enough chances to cement that spot.
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| Quote ="Longbarn Wire"Quote ="moving on..."He did sod all. could've put a cardboard cut out on the pitch and it would've offered the same. It was Atkins and Russell who allowed Ryan Hall to stroll right between them. Ratch copped a load of stick for that tackle, he managed to get across from the middle of the park. not an easy thing to get in front of someone whos at full pace and you're running sideways.'"
Ratch copped a load of stick because any decent last line of defense would of made the tackle...and he didn't. Irrespective of whether Atkins and Russell were also to blame for allowing the initial tackle bust. Not the first time he has done that either i might add....'"
All i have heard about Stef,from someone who knows him, is that he only plays fullback because Smith asked him to do so as a stop gap after Hodgson left. Apart from Russell no attempt has been successful in getting a proven quality fullback.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I like your posts mate...but that is a load of tosh pal.
To point a finger at a fullback and say to indicate he should do on his own what 12 men in front of him couldn't is wrong.'"
Steve Hampson would have tackled him for sure, and Radlinksi to name just 2. Basically any full back with a modicum of tackling technique.
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| Quote ="karetaker"Well if Patton is in the halves tonight it really is last chance saloon for me,because if he doesn’t shine tonight then he will only ever be a back up half. He as had more than enough chances to cement that spot.'"
Agreed. He's been in and around the first team since 2015 and played 43 games. He is not a rookie.
If not now, then when?
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| Quote ="ninearches"All i have heard about Stef,from someone who knows him, is that he only plays fullback because Smith asked him to do so as a stop gap after Hodgson left. Apart from Russell no attempt has been successful in getting a proven quality fullback.'"
Stef may be one of those players that can play a number of positions but none quite to the standard of a SL winning side specialist player. I like him a lot due to his attacking play and creativity but we tried him in the halves and centre. I'm running out of places he can play.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Steve Hampson would have tackled him for sure, and Radlinksi to name just 2. Basically any full back with a modicum of tackling technique.'"
It seems you missed my whole point.
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| Ratch is firmly in the bracket of utility player.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"It seems you missed my whole point.'"
I didn't, I read it and I don't have to agree with it.
For me the full back role has changed, but solid last line of defence against line breaks and being able to catch and field kicks are still essential requirements.
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