There's a bit of Emperor's New Clothes with Patton from his fans. They like to create the impression of him being an outstanding talent ready to bloom whereas probably the rest of us see a player who is at best just OK. In many games he seems anonymous.

Most likely what will happen is he will be at the club a year or two longer and then move on, and his next move will be a step down. He won't be going to the NRL or Saints, it will be Salford or Toronto. We will move on to someone else.

His fans will then create a legend about a player who could have been one of the greats but he was 'ruined by TS/Price', 'didn't get a fair chance', 'nobody could have succeeded playing behind a beaten pack'...

I believe Hodgson was probably the best goal kicker we've ever had, certainly in my memory, and stats don't tell the full story.

But over a longer period of time, stats do paint an accurate picture.

When you look at Hodgson's kicking average over 13 years by club -

Wire Average 78%
Huds Average 78%
Wests Average 77%
Eels Average 79%

13 year career average: 78%

Regardless of age, club, style of play, this is Brett Hodgson's goal kicking return.

I wouldn't use these numbers to prove how much better he is / isn't to Ratch or Roberts or Patton, but I would say that it does show how fantastic Brett was. He was an amazingly metronomic and reliable goal kicker, the likes of which we've not had since. Consistently (and consistency is key) getting the 2 and turning the screw on teams is a real killer.

I would hope these stats at least add to the debate and provide a different perspective or talking point for the other uberfans to debate around

Over the close season, Patton needs to find a few aces from somewhere.

I remember Martin Crompton, at the time a good, potentially very good scrum half, asking the then-coach Brian Johnson what he needed to do in the off season to improve. Johnson told him, put on some pace.

Come the start of the season and the Locker Cup and we had a new player - Crompton was suddenly very quick off the mark and finding gaps that he simply couldn't before.

Patton needs to do the same. Find a yard of pace, find a killer short range kicking game, find a killer pass .... [ianything[/i to lift him out of the masses of the average.

BMM, Sita whatisname and Patton all need to have the off season of their lives.

Not up to your usual standard I'm afraid.
I suspect there are a lot of fans who would like to see him come good (but are not holding their breath). He's hardly a Kevin Penny is he?*
The disinction being that in his first season or so KP was genuinely class, scored some outstanding tries and was selected for the Dream Team (but you know that).

Stats can definitely mislead & the mind does play tricks.
But I totally agree that Hodgson was a super kicker.

But what the hell is a "Uberfan"?
And who would you try to sign to ensure we have a better kicker?

We've already signed him Smiffy...
Austin will be scoring plenty behind the sticks....and with that comes a kicker with a great stat.

Yep ... he's a runner with a lovely step off his left peg.
Some will remember the Derek Whitehead side-step?

Not sure on who to sign, as I have as much interest in the NRL/RU etc, as I have in watching [i Friends[/i on a loop. We have scouts for that. However, it looks like the club have settled on their side of the season, so [iwe've got what we've got[/i. Plenty of practice needed for the chosen one.

Uberfan (my definition) - someone who swears blind loyalty to a team/player, and won't have a word said against them (not aimed at you, or anyone else in particular.... I'm not that kind of boy)

I know I've said this before, but when we've sniffed around trophies before (in the days of good RL standard), we had good kickers. Hesford, Woods, Davies, Hodgson. No coincidence. A great kicker is worth his weight in gold

Great kicker's no question but none of them had improved us enough to change on our status quo....that is a coincidence!

Ratchford can hit the ball very sweetly. I sometimes think he hits it too hard. But he said that he goes worse if he practices which is a bit unusual. In theory he should be able to be our kicker but not sure he'd like the job.

Then he is not practicing correctly, and that is a very flippant reply for a professional sportsman.

Also not a coincidence that all of those were fine players even if they had never kicked a goal in their life.

Penny and Patton are very different.

Penny had qualities that others didn't, so even if he had his rough edges he gave hope of being something really special, whereas Patton doesn't have anything that you can say "wow" about. Penny was unlucky because his window to impress was closed by the fact that when he did lose form, Riley came in and played well and we signed Hicks, which locked him out. He hasn't had several years where there was no clear cut first choice ahead of him, like Patton. Also Penny is one of the very rare cases of a player who went down the leagues and climbed out of the abyss to get back. Patton will do well to match that.

But still...Patton as a squad player, if he can cover dummy half off the bench as well as the halves, is a useful player in a squad so I'm not against keeping him, I just don't see this genius about to be discovered that others do.

im not an Uber fan, I don’t even have the app.

Good post. I'd like those who are happy with Patton as our half back for 2019 and beyond to comment on what they think is special about him?

I am a bit concerned for him as Widnes, which is our usual dropping off place for those that don't make the standard, may not be here when his contract expires.

The decline from that team, and in general, is shocking isnt it.

I’d like to know “who are happy with Patton as our half back for 2019 and beyond”?

Patton is good enough....our pack over 5 years pre Price wasn't.

I think it's important to look at what version of a Wire team Patton has been a part of. He broke through into first team at the "beginning of the end" of the Tony Smith reign in 2015. Our amazing 2010-2013 squad was no more, and dross was replacing quality.
Asotasi, England, Penny, Russell were our 2014 signings.

Without opening the can of worms, it's fair to say the dressing room was probably not a great place to be during this time. Popular players leaving under a cloud, Smith with his favourites. Patton himself was frozen out for a chunk of time after falling out with Smith.

Now consider age. You could point the finger at some senior players for not delivering during our bad spots, but that environment is not great for a developing 20/21/22 year-old. We signed the reigning MOS, a 21 year-old who was also named in the 4-nations team of the tournament just before arriving. He looked a different player under TS and went backwards.

We have one of the best academy's in the country, and we go out to sign young talents too. While I wouldn't go as far as saying we ruined talent, we could never seem to nurture it once it reached the first team.

Off the top of my head, GOB, Laithwaite, Rhys Williams, Matty Blythe, Tyke McCarthy, Rhys Evans, Gene Ormsby were all given a ton of first team minutes, none progressed. Even when times were good. These players may never have been destined to be world beaters, but our youngsters historically seem to stop developing once they get a squad number.

I'd even throw Myler in that list as a young talent signed who never really progressed in our first team.

It's worth mentioning that Currie and maybe Chris Riley for a period bucked the trend. Cooper too, but he left for the NRL at the right time to miss out on the dreaded Warrington development sticky patch.

Why is this important? Because Steve Price is now our head coach. Under Price we've seen T King properly break into the first team and develop well. Philbin too has looked our most impactful interchange. Clark is somewhere near back to his MOS form. And the list continues with some of the more senior players too. Price is bringing something different. Price is giving the players structure, coaching and renewed confidence.

Patton is still only 23. He's had a pretty crummy time in his early development, but it's not time to throw him on the scrap heap yet.

Great post

I thought the same.

I'd throw squad numbers on the scrap heap though. There's is no better reward than running out with a starting number on your back imo.
Never liked the idea from the minute that we copied from football who in turn copied from American team sports.
Not keen on the Wolves but there is some merchandise benifit so I embrace the full name of Warrington Wolves....but there is zero to pennies made from squad numbers on the back of a shirt.

Patton came through in a team that got to four major finals and was significantly better than the Wire teams that Harris, Sculthorpe and Briers started off in. If he'd come through a few years earlier he would have had to compete with Briers/Myler for a spot and so would have had very few first team opportunities.

All decent points. But to continue the debate.

1. Surely we cannot say with any credibility we have one of the best academies in the country when you look at the output. The vast majority end up either not breaking into the side or off playing a lower standard after a number of games? For the avoidance of doubt Currie was developed by Wigan and Riley was so good that when he left Warrington aged 26, in his prime, he could only get in Wakefield -> Rochdale's sides. Yet you cite Riley as bucking the trend.

2. If we accept the idea that the environment was not in place for Patton to flourish since debut, what have you seen that encourages you that he will flourish in 2019 and is a raw talent worth persisting with? Do you think he has progressed in 2018 under Price when compared to 2017? In 2016 he started at Old Trafford in the GF and played the vast majority of the game, scoring our only try. In 2018 he played 19 minutes when he replaced an injured Roberts.

3. As SC highlights, this does not explain how better players have broken through in more difficult times. Patton had the opportunity and one of the best British halfbacks in the last 20 years as a mentor. Speaking of Briers, he made his breakthrough at a crumbling stadium, in an under performing side where players were not getting paid on time.

The only thing that persists is your agenda on Patton.