I don't think that's true; if a coach takes an underperforming group of players and turns things around, I think he deserves all the credit, as McGuire did for us with Noble's Wigan team, or as Holbrook seems to be doing at Saints.

The point being that it many think that it was Cullen's team not Smith's that delivered, another example of Smith's inadequacy as a coach

Hardly think it was Cullen's teams that has competed in 4 challenge cup finals and 3 grand finals and won 2 league leaders shields. Almost won everything last year. I gotta question player toughness and desire. Having no half backs makes competing very difficult. Where we gonna find some half backs?

Nothing will change IMO.... They will point to Leeds - they had a season like we had last year, then the following season they were rubbish, in the middle 8's and competed for nothing, fans crying out for the coach to go (they even wanted Smith back), then they do OK the year after (this year). Warrington will look at that model, and say, we're having the same troubles, lets stick with our coach like Leeds did.

The problem is, Leeds had quite a lot of injuries last year, but still had one of the best back lines in Super League IMO (MaCguire, Hall, Moon, Watkins, Briscoe etc) - we have one quality player injured, and nothing else to look forward to. We will go into that middle 8's and will have to prey that Leigh and Hull KR can't beat us, because atm, Widnes, Huddersfield and Catalan (8th will be between those two), are all better than us, and actually have stronger squads than the start of the year (we are weaker).

As others have said, we have been rank average since the great team was split up 4 years ago - we managed what we managed last year because 1. Of the easy run we had to Wembley, and 2. Super League was, and still is, average at best - probably the lowest quality I have seen in Super League since it started.

You can also blame our "homegrown" recruitment - on one hand I like the fact that we have some many English players in the squad - but I would rather have as many overseas players as Castleford, Hull, Salford etc, and be where they are, rather than two, over age, past their best ones that we have....

Was it not Cullen's team that won 3 CC's with only small changes to personnel

We almost won everything, sounds like Bullseye "here's what you could have won"

Players desire, yes that's the players, but just as much it is the coaches desire to get the team playing with the right attitude

Half backs, that's fairly and squarely the fault of TS

The problem is, Leeds won the treble in 2015. If we are emulating anyone, it is Huddersfield.

It's all a bit tedious now. Who predicted disaster first? Sounds like wish fulfilment to me. And does anyone on here think their opinion will make any difference? It is clearly a very small part of the clubs support that post on here, and just because the same few people make the same points over and over again hardly makes them any more or less valid. Think I'll take a break till there are some meaningful developments.

Taraa

Hodgson or Michael Monaghan are not credible choices. Insufficient experience. It's like appointing a CEO who has no prior commercial or board level experience.

I know Tony is irreplaceable but I hope we do what Saints did. Get a well respected but under the radar Australian assistant and try and make do.

Nephew Rohan?

If TS goes, I'd go for Richard Marshall. I've no idea if he'd be any good, but hey ho, why not?

Someone on Facebook suggested the lollipop man off Long Lane. Made me chuckle. Rationale being that it could not get any worse and wouldn't cost us £250K per annum in the process.

I predict that just before the Wigan cup game Wolfie will run on the pitch & expose himself as the new coach, probably a top Aussie one.

A bit like the Joel Monaghan scandal in reverse?

If wolfie ran onto the pitch to expose himself he might be at risk of actually creating a try which would be against our game plan.

We have a game plan?

So, does anyone remain in the Smith in camp?

No.

What he said..

Did we ever slide down the table. ..?

To my mind we never climbed out of the bottom so have had very little room to slide down to.

One thing is certain after 2 games some of us spotted something dreadful and we haven't been proved wrong throughout the entire season.

We are going to get the same results from Smith's team...a lack of discipline lack of skill lack of game winning mentality lack of wins.

I am resigning myself to relegation. ...and no good can come of that. This is all hugely disappointing.
We were two points behind Saints when they sacked Cunningham....they haven't turned into world beaters but they'll be in a different league to us next month. ....

Charlie Wong?

Oh, and the fans of all your rival clubs...

Yes Saints acted and we didn't. They will have Top 4 as a stretch target, whereas we have bottom 4 as a racing certainty.
Failing to plan, was planning to fail.

Something we have actually been good at, failing to plan. We must of trained well fo that

If the worst does come to the worst climbing out of the Championship will be much harder than avoiding the drop.

How the mighty have fallen, or are falling.
It's a sorry tail of influential people at the club all taking their eyes off the ball in unison.
What was the cause ?
Apathy, Arrogance, Recruitment, Leadership etc etc...
Hard to believe that all this was bubbling under during last season's heroics and the cracks were so well papered over later still with that other heroic effort against world class NRL opposition.
Well anyway the wheels well and truly 'came off.
I'm not sure any of the RL watching world really know why, it's a conundrum without one answer but many.
But for sure many have taken their eyes off the ball and all have waited with some arrogance for it just to fit back together without one key ingredient. CHANGE.