Your other half wouldn't be the same Psychiatric Nurse who told my wife, who has suffered with severe depression for over 25 years, that she "needs to make more of an effort for the sake of her children". We made a complaint about her attitude and comment to the Consultant Psychiatrist and never saw her at that practise again.

I will happily admit that I would't know as much about Mental Health as a trained medical professional. But in my opinion someone who has spent years living with someone with mental health issues, or someone suffering themselves, would have greater insights on actually living with the illness than any number of years at university could provide.

The reason that a few of us came across as unsympathetic on the other thread is because stress and mental health problems are now classed as the same thing, when clearly they are not. I have ever sympathy with people who have mental problems, when they are caused by happenings they have seen or been victim of, but definately not, when they are self induced, ie, drug or alcohol etc abuse. Stress is self-pity imo, we have all suffered from it at 1 point or another in our lives, ie, money,marital, personal etc problems are root causes, it is upto the individual how he/she deals with it. Imo, it is down to ones upbringing and background.

Unfortunately, we now live in a society, where we expect everything for doing very little, effort no longer brings reward, the less we do, the more we get, so when I read about a poster's father who hid his illness, really struck a bell with me, because it all comes down to values, which have decreased over the generations. His generation simply " got on with it", they had nothing and expected nothing unless they worked for it, now, we have come full circle.

Stress IS the bad-back of the 21st century, like the bad-back, it is difficult to disprove, and that is what riles many of us, when we hear stories of people milking the system. The simple solution would be to go back full circle, and not being paid for not working, sickness rates, especially civil servants would drop dramatically.

The numbers of people suffering from mental problems seems to have catapulted in recent years. Well done to those that have come on here and admitted to having problems, it must have been very difficult to do, but should'nt we re-open asylums and large mental hospitals to take these people out of society and help them? take them out of society and help them, then put them back into society. Over the last 20 years, such places have closed, Winwick and Prestwich around here and god knows how many across the country. It seems every week there is a story in the press of someone who should be treated, being let out into society, and in some cases killing an innocent member of the public.


On a lighter note, I used to work in a steelworks with a bloke straight out of the Gorbals. A hard, angry man whose stare would stop a lion in its tracks. Through hindsight, I can see he had some sort of head problem, but at the same time he could be the funniest bloke you ever met. His party piece was to stand behind you whilst you were working, wait till you'd finish and turn around and would say, " You're never alone with schizophrenia." and walk off.

And the number of fans from other boards reading this thread and thinking Warrington is full of nutcases.

schizophrenia - split personality disorder

Two entirely different things

correct, which he prob was, very funny 1 minute, very angry the next.

As i have previously stated on here i had severe depression. It wasnt an excuse to get off work, in fact the causes wernt work related at all. I have never taken narcotics and my family on my mothers side has a history of mental illness. (in fact my mum was in winwick in the early 70's and some of the "treatments" those days were downright medieviel. Shutterman your other half says nobody on here has a clue about mental illness but i disagree strongly. I work in the newspaper industry and over the years have seen for myself the scorn thats placed on people like stan collymore, kerry katona etc over coming out and saying they have depression. Trust me these people would rather swap all there fame for a life free from a black cloud that not only effects them but everybody in there lives. I have many instances of people telling me to "buck up" or being called "selfish" for the way i was. I know i will never be free of this curse so have to learn to live with it. I am on anti depressants but as a previous poster said cognitive therapy is a huge help and for me personally made a difference.for shutterman. Unless your other half has suffered from mental illness then heres a rubbish analogy. Just because a zookeeper cares for crocodiles doesnt mean they have the first idea what it's like to be one.

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Bit harsh & condescending that ! I know weve recently clashed but that asside I think your wrong with that statement. Ive been type 2 bi polar for about 14 years and only knowing or being diagnosed in the last 4 & it all started or became diagnosed witout rhyme or reason. I just felt I couldnt go on any longer and contemplated suicide then 10 minutes later wanted to go out partying this high/low mood swing being totally uncontrollable. Now Im a relatively intelligent person of +50 years and took the offer of cognitive therapy but I did have the awareness and capacity but it just did not work for me (making list of triggers and discussing things just made me want to punch people) After short visits to Hollins park etc I was put on medication which has stabilised the highs & lows and allowed me to return to life,work & family without people fearing whether it was Jekyl or Hyde turning up. Now the bi polars gone quiet, Im left with a lower form and controllable form of depression with the aid of medicines,so there is a place for both Cognitive & medicinal treatments.

Very elloquently said sir,I know what I want to say I just never get it right. As a slightly o/t to the o/t, this condition is why I have sympathy with the Terry Newtons of this world. 23 years ago my sister in law took her own life and I was so angry with her I called her for years and years after the event. Only when I suffered the depths of depression and considered it myself did I finally and fully realise what despair her and many besides her have and are going through to make them take the ultimate action.

When i said that i meant that there are actually some people who have a very low IQ who simply don't understand what's being asked of them, i should have clarified that this is a small % i was just trying to include the fact that this is the case with some people. Wasn't trying to be harsh or condescending but i see where you're coming from.

As i stated on the previous thread i've suffered from anxiety for the best part of 20yrs without virtually no medication as didn't fancy getting addicted to the drugs not to mention the side effects what comes with them but Yed what you say about exercise and sleep depravation is spot on.I still suffer weeks where i only get 2-4 hrs a night in the week which is totally exhausting especially with having to get up at 6 in the morning but luckily i get Fri,Sat + Sun off so even though it's not the answer i usually catch up which helps me a great deal.Sunday nights i dread as i no if i'm not sleep for say 12.30 the pressure to get off starts to play on my mind.Regarding exercise imho there is no better stress buster than sweating your backside off even for an hour every couple of days.Certainly does wonders for me and has probably helped me not to turn to drugs..The medical kind may i add

Post subject: Re: O/T Mental illnessPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:17 pm

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As i have previously stated on here i had severe depression. It wasnt an excuse to get off work, in fact the causes wernt work related at all. I have never taken narcotics and my family on my mothers side has a history of mental illness. (in fact my mum was in winwick in the early 70's and some of the "treatments" those days were downright medieviel. Shutterman your other half says nobody on here has a clue about mental illness but i disagree strongly. I work in the newspaper industry and over the years have seen for myself the scorn thats placed on people like stan collymore, kerry katona etc over coming out and saying they have depression. Trust me these people would rather swap all there fame for a life free from a black cloud that not only effects them but everybody in there lives. I have many instances of people telling me to "buck up" or being called "selfish" for the way i was. I know i will never be free of this curse so have to learn to live with it. I am on anti depressants but as a previous poster said cognitive therapy is a huge help and for me personally made a difference.for shutterman. Unless your other half has suffered from mental illness then heres a rubbish analogy. Just because a zookeeper cares for crocodiles doesnt mean they have the first idea what it's like to be one.


I am truely sorry if you work in the newspaper industry is true, but, everything that which you have printed, stinks of self-pity. Whenever, I see a composition, and I see the word " I" printed so many times, I immediately dismiss it as attention-seeking. Your argument could have held water, if, you did not mention Kerry Katona, who, must be the biggest leech to ever come from this town.

sorry for bringing this thread down, but, it is about mental illness, and not self-pity.

I have no idea about mental illness, but I think there are many Saints fans who are delusional.

Does this count as mental illness, if so lock loads of these threads, I apologise and get these guys like Saintsfan some help. My apologies again.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/compassion dictionary.reference.com/browse/empathy There you go Lived Wired two new words to add to your vocab, look RLFANS, like Seasame Street but without all the multiculturalism

dictionary.reference.com/browse/compassion dictionary.reference.com/browse/empathy There you go Lived Wired two new words to add to your vocab, look RLFANS, like Seasame Street but without all the multiculturalism

Read something in the paper today about mental illness/depression becoming the most prevalent illness in the world by 2020, according to the WHO.

Your personal feelings about kerry katona aside. (personally i have no thoughts on the girl either way as i have never met her.) im rather dismayed that you have dismissed my post as the rantings of a self pitying attention seeker. Trust me that couldnt be further from the truth. I mention "I" so many times as im posting self biographical account of an illness i suffer from on a mental illness topic. Maybe it would have been better for yourself if i posted about other people?? no wait, i cant cause i dont know "there" experiances. Maybe i could have offered an insightful post about mental health issues i have never had? or if care in the community works? Im not asking nor want any pity, im over my problems at this moment in our existence and through strong family bonds and recognising triggers continue to lead a full active social life. Sorry if your upset about this Live Wired. And in response to an earlier thought of yours, no i don't think other teams fans will think were all nutcases, not if they've been to Hull anyway!

thanks for that! i've probably been a mental health nurse longer than your wife has! but hey ho!
mental health issues are complex to say the least, but to dismiss peoples opinions especially when talking from personal expierience is rather judgemental tstl

seratonin inbalances in the brain cannot be treated with just CBT. it may have worked for you but for others only extreme measures such as ECT work when in a catatonic state from deppresive illness.

wrong! so wrong.

i was simply pointing out that low seratinin levels are a sympton of depression not the cause, improve a persons thought processes with cognative therapy and the levels will rise naturally!

if only it was that easy! i'm not saying drugs are always the answer but neither is CBT, some times a combination is the best approach.

in reply to JD'S post. i will give you a more detailed opinion when i get back from seeing some depressed and suicidal people in A&E.

The myth that deression is caused by a chemical imbalance of the brain was latched on to by british doctors as an excuse to fob people off with medication, unfortunately depressed people tend to believe bad news and telling depressed people that they have some pre disposition to depression because their "brain isn't working properley" is ludicrus and quite frankly scandalous, are they trying to say that these rises in the cases of depression are down to a genetic falt in the workings of the brain suddenly affecting all these people at once? of course not it doesn't make sense!

SO SERATONIN IS A MYTH? *SLIM PACKS HIS LUNCH BOX UP AND DARTS HOME, HIS JOB IS DONE*

Come on manco, your personal experiences are clouding your judgement!

genetics and pre-cursors all have a part to play, are you telling me depression does not run in families?

I am struggling to gauge your response. Could you clarify it for me please.

sure, no problem, but i am waiting for a doctor to turn up so i can go to A&E, When i get a break i will give you a response.

Don't forget mental illness isn't just depression, for instance Anorexia is classed as a mental illness (that's not a dig slim) OCD is too, i've met someone with OCD who are for want of a better word was, happy. She would lock the house door about 30 times though and any other lock to make sure it was locked.

lol

there are many forms of mental illness, they are only a problem if they prevent you from functioning at your optimum level. lots of people just put "their heads down" and plough on, never having known any different, i think that's a shame really when effective treatment is available.