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| Sam Tomkins has been unbelievably good at times this year and it wouldnt surprise me if he won it. However I'd give it to Monaghan and I think Wire winning the league will confirm this!
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| Hodgeson has had a very good season but for ''control and direction'' then Monas is my top Wire tip for MOS, but arguably Roby has had a better season.
I wouldn't have a problem giving it to Roby over Monas.
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"Sam Tomkins has been unbelievably good at times this year and it wouldnt surprise me if he won it. However I'd give it to Monaghan and I think Wire winning the league will confirm this!'"
tomkins has been exceptional in alot of games.... no one can dispute that.... for me the difference has been that in the big games Monaghan has been the best player on the pitch.... this hasn't happened once or twice... its happened in almost every big game.
yes people can point at roby's meters and tackles..... and people can point at tomkins trys and tackle busts... But what stats dont show is key plays at key times...... and Monaghan has tore SL to pieces this season when it matters... he puts teams on the backfoot and scares the life out of them.
Also the way wire play means we will never have a player with stats like Roby.... we don't rely on someone so heavily... Monaghan outshone Roby in both games against saints... and Tomkins in both league games against wigan.
Monaghan has been the most influential player in SL this season without a doubt.
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| This is our forum's 'Play of the Year' vote:
Pos Player 1st's 2nd's 3rd's 4th's 5th's Points Total
1st Sam Tomkins 10 3 3 - 2 73
2nd Lee Mossop 3 2 5 8 2 56
And I've lost count the amount of times Tomkins has won Sky MoM, it must be at least 6 or 7.
I find it bemusing that even Warrington fans weren't naming Monaghan much when the topic came up in [url=http://viewtopic.php?f=21&t=494568May[/url and you are all now claiming he's been your best play in every game all season?
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"tomkins has been exceptional in alot of games.... no one can dispute that.... for me the difference has been that in the big games Monaghan has been the best player on the pitch.... this hasn't happened once or twice... its happened in almost every big game.
yes people can point at roby's meters and tackles..... and people can point at tomkins trys and tackle busts... But what stats dont show is key plays at key times...... and Monaghan has tore SL to pieces this season when it matters... he puts teams on the backfoot and scares the life out of them.
Also the way wire play means we will never have a player with stats like Roby.... we don't rely on someone so heavily... Monaghan outshone Roby in both games against saints... and Tomkins in both league games against wigan.
Monaghan has been the most influential player in SL this season without a doubt.'"
Spot on, deckchair
Monaghan, whenever he has been up against his "equivalents", has consistantly out-shone them.
Needless to say, whoever wins, the supporters of the vanquished players club's will all say it's corrupt.
We've had a couple of close calls with our players in the last few seasons
It'd be nice for one of our players to get this award, but, as I said earlier, I'd rather one of our players won the Harry Sunderland trophy.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Spot on, deckchair
Monaghan, whenever he has been up against his "equivalents", has consistantly out-shone them.
Needless to say, whoever wins, the supporters of the vanquished players club's will all say it's corrupt.
We've had a couple of close calls with our players in the last few seasons
It'd be nice for one of our players to get this award, but, as I said earlier, I'd rather one of our players won the Harry Sunderland trophy.'"
I will have no argument if tomkins or roby wins it ahead of monaghan.... both have had excellent seasons.. i suppose every supporter thinks that their player is the best though.
I dont think there are any saints or pies that cant admit Monaghan has tore them to pieces this season though.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I will have no argument if tomkins or roby wins it ahead of monaghan.... both have had excellent seasons.. i suppose every supporter thinks that their player is the best though.
I dont think there are any saints or pies that cant admit Monaghan has tore them to pieces this season though.'"
Here's my take on it
Roby, not seen enough of him (on TV, before all you Stains fans start to foam at the mouth) to really comment
Tomkins. A fantastic talent, who (stupidly) opposition players STILL kick to (unbelievable, but there you go). One of the best kick returners I've ever seen. Will his Wembley 'antics' have an effect on the voters' thoughts???
Chase. A very good talent, but, it's like saying Sculthorpe should have been MoS in 1997...he's simply shining, in what is, a poor side.
Feel a little disappointed for Ben W. Awesome this year, but that injury's just come at the wrong time....bugger.
Again, like yourself, deckchair, I'll have no axe to grind if one of MonaghanM, Roby, Ratboy wins.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"tomkins has been exceptional in alot of games.... no one can dispute that.... for me the difference has been that in the big games Monaghan has been the best player on the pitch.... this hasn't happened once or twice... its happened in almost every big game.'"
The only big games so far this season have been the World Club Challenge and the Challenge Cup quarters, semis and final, with a few more still to come.
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| Quote ="Finfin"The only big games so far this season have been the World Club Challenge and the Challenge Cup quarters, semis and final, with a few more still to come.'"
so those 2 league games between Wire v Worriers weren't 'big games'
funny how some posters attitudes can become selective when they want.
Just out of interest, what happened in those 2 games, and, what were Monaghan's performances like
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"so those 2 league games between Wire v Worriers weren't 'big games'
funny how some posters attitudes can become selective when they want.
Just out of interest, what happened in those 2 games, and, what were Monaghan's performances like'"
I don't like it either, but the way the league is structured now as long as you finish in the top 4 or failing that top 8 the only matches which really matter are the Challenge Cup and the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Finfin"The only big games so far this season have been the World Club Challenge and the Challenge Cup quarters, semis and final, with a few more still to come.'"
if you say so.
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| Quote ="Finfin"I don't like it either, but the way the league is structured now as long as you finish in the top 4 or failing that top 8 the only matches which really matter are the Challenge Cup and the playoffs.'"
Complete testicles (if you don't mind me saying)
So last week's game, where the top 2 in the league where vying for the LLS was not a big game?
Or that old boring cliche, whenever you sack a coach "I don't care what you do, just beat them Saints when we play um".. are they not a big game, either?
...just when you thought Wiganers couldn't get any thicker, another one pops up, and blows that theory out of the water
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| Quote ="Finfin"The only big games so far this season have been the World Club Challenge and the Challenge Cup quarters, semis and final, with a few more still to come.'"
Apologies for being so rude as to have an opinion of my own, but I don't agree with you. This is what we've had to put up with from the most smug, ignorant and self indulgent set of fans from any sport in this country.
In 2009 and 2010 winning the RL Cup was a minor achievement, in 2011 it was the best thing since sliced bread.
In 2010 winning the League Leaders Plate was a fine achievement, a reward for being consistent all season, in 2011 it was a minor trophy.
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| Right still got games to go but WireRlfans Voting this season is as follows
Pre Season (missed out Widnes never mind)
Leigh: 1.Hodgson 2.Solomona 3.Myler
Wigan: 1.King 2.Hodgson 3.Bridge
Challenge Cup
Keighley: 1. Briers 2. Atkins 3. O'Brien
Swinton: 1.Briers 2. Carvell. (no third)
Wigan: 1.King 2. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3. Solomona
Superleague
Millenium Magic
Huddersfield: 1. Joel Monaghan 2. Westwood 3. Solomona
Hull KR: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2.Joel Monaghan 3.Blythe
Saints: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2.Briers 3. Myler
Leeds: 1. Evans. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3.Westwood
Wakefield: 1. Westwood 2.Bridge 3.Blythe
Quins: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Blythe 3. Hodgson
Wigan: 1. Blythe 2. Westwood 3. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Catalan: 1.Morley 2.Joel Monaghan 3.Carvell
Huddersfield: 1.Hodgson 2.(Joint) Joel Monaghan/Morley
Crusaders: 1. Hodgson 2.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3.Wood
Salford: 1. Hodgson 2.Briers 3.Wood
Hull FC: 1. Westwood 2. Harrison 3. Solomona
Bradford: 1. Hodgson 2. (Joint) King/Briers/[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Castleford: 1.Briers 2.Hodgson 3.Grix
Leeds: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Carvell (no third)
Crusaders: 1. Hodgson 2. King 3. (joint) [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size/Atkins
Salford: 1.Westwood 2.Carvell 3. Myler
Hull KR: 1. King 2.(joint) Myler/[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Saints: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Myler 3. Hodgson
Castleford: 1. King 2. Hodgson (no third)
Huddersfield: 1. Carvell 2.Westwood 3.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Quins: 1. Bridge 2. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3. Wood
Bradford: 1. Grix 2. Myler 3. Atkins
Wakefield: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Bridge 3. Atkins
Catalan: 1. Briers 2. Bridge 3. Riley
Wigan: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. King 3. Morley
Hull FC: 1. Atkins 2. King 3. Riley
As you see Monas(M) gets get a bit of the vote
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"
Saints: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2.Briers 3. Myler
Leeds: 1. Evans. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3.Westwood
Wigan: 1. Blythe 2. Westwood 3. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Leeds: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Carvell (no third)
Saints: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Myler 3. Hodgson
Wigan: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. King 3. Morley
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we won all those games and he was our best player in all of them.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"tomkins has been exceptional in alot of games.... no one can dispute that.... for me the difference has been that in the big games Monaghan has been the best player on the pitch.... this hasn't happened once or twice... its happened in almost every big game.
yes people can point at roby's meters and tackles..... and people can point at tomkins trys and tackle busts... But what stats dont show is key plays at key times...... and Monaghan has tore SL to pieces this season when it matters... he puts teams on the backfoot and scares the life out of them.
Also the way wire play means we will never have a player with stats like Roby.... we don't rely on someone so heavily... Monaghan outshone Roby in both games against saints... and Tomkins in both league games against wigan.
Monaghan has been the most influential player in SL this season without a doubt.'"
Monaghan I would say has been consistently good over the course of the season and as you say has always performed well in big games. Tomkins on the other hand not so much, but I would say a handful of games we have seen Tomkins play this season he has been scarily good and has by far looked the best player in SL.
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| Taking away Tomkins' 5th places to make it 'fair', this is how it would've gone under our voting system:
[codePos Player 1st's 2nd's 3rd's 4th's 5th's Points Total
1st Sam Tomkins 10 3 3 - - 71
2nd Michael Monaghan 7 5 3 - - 64[/code
Speaks volumes.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Taking away Tomkins' 5th places to make it 'fair', this is how it would've gone under our voting system:
[codePos Player 1st's 2nd's 3rd's 4th's 5th's Points Total
1st Sam Tomkins 10 3 3 - - 71
2nd Michael Monaghan 7 5 3 - - 64[/code
Speaks volumes.
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not really.....we won the league and beat you twice.
it just means we have better players than you, so we share the MOM awards out more.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Complete testicles (if you don't mind me saying)
So last week's game, where the top 2 in the league where vying for the LLS was not a big game?
Or that old boring cliche, whenever you sack a coach "I don't care what you do, just beat them Saints when we play um".. are they not a big game, either?
...just when you thought Wiganers couldn't get any thicker, another one pops up, and blows that theory out of the water'"
Rather than trade personal insults perhaps I could offer a little advice, as a follower of a club with a little more experience of play off football than yourselves.
If you don't win 3 games which I would class as "big games" over the next month, all those wins in what you would class as "big games" will mean zilch. Tough as that sounds, that's it; exactly the same position as Wigan were in this time last year.
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| Quote ="Finfin"Rather than trade personal insults perhaps I could offer a little advice, as a follower of a club with a little more experience of play off football than yourselves.
If you don't win 3 games which I would class as "big games" over the next month, all those wins in what you would class as "big games" will mean zilch. Tough as that sounds, that's it; exactly the same position as Wigan were in this time last year.'"
You could also say that had we not won several big games over the past 8 months, then we would not be in the position we are now with the possibility of more big games.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Right still got games to go but WireRlfans Voting this season is as follows
Pre Season (missed out Widnes never mind)
Leigh: 1.Hodgson 2.Solomona 3.Myler
Wigan: 1.King 2.Hodgson 3.Bridge
Challenge Cup
Keighley: 1. Briers 2. Atkins 3. O'Brien
Swinton: 1.Briers 2. Carvell. (no third)
Wigan: 1.King 2. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3. Solomona
Superleague
Millenium Magic
Huddersfield: 1. Joel Monaghan 2. Westwood 3. Solomona
Hull KR: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2.Joel Monaghan 3.Blythe
Saints: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2.Briers 3. Myler
Leeds: 1. Evans. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3.Westwood
Wakefield: 1. Westwood 2.Bridge 3.Blythe
Quins: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Blythe 3. Hodgson
Wigan: 1. Blythe 2. Westwood 3. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Catalan: 1.Morley 2.Joel Monaghan 3.Carvell
Huddersfield: 1.Hodgson 2.(Joint) Joel Monaghan/Morley
Crusaders: 1. Hodgson 2.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3.Wood
Salford: 1. Hodgson 2.Briers 3.Wood
Hull FC: 1. Westwood 2. Harrison 3. Solomona
Bradford: 1. Hodgson 2. (Joint) King/Briers/[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Castleford: 1.Briers 2.Hodgson 3.Grix
Leeds: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Carvell (no third)
Crusaders: 1. Hodgson 2. King 3. (joint) [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size/Atkins
Salford: 1.Westwood 2.Carvell 3. Myler
Hull KR: 1. King 2.(joint) Myler/[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Saints: 1.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Myler 3. Hodgson
Castleford: 1. King 2. Hodgson (no third)
Huddersfield: 1. Carvell 2.Westwood 3.[size=150Mike Monaghan[/size
Quins: 1. Bridge 2. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 3. Wood
Bradford: 1. Grix 2. Myler 3. Atkins
Wakefield: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. Bridge 3. Atkins
Catalan: 1. Briers 2. Bridge 3. Riley
Wigan: 1. [size=150Mike Monaghan[/size 2. King 3. Morley
Hull FC: 1. Atkins 2. King 3. Riley
As you see Monas(M) gets get a bit of the vote'"
Bloody hell Yed that must have taken some time to research and type out.
But you ably illustrate how good Mick Monas has been for us this year.
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| Monas seems to get his MoM in the big games, steps up a lot that lad, remember 2009 at Wembley Lance Todd trophy winner.
How was Sam at Wembley? I think [size=200 V[/size was his only memorable moment.
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Bloody hell Yed that must have taken some time to research and type out.
But you ably illustrate how good Mick Monas has been for us this year.'"
Not so bad mate, pooped.
When i finished that a million posts needed checking
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| Monaghan is a fantasic player I would have him at Wigan in a heartbeat but Sam Tomkins will get MOS, with Chase 2nd and Roby 3rd.
If there was a 4th place he would get that.
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| Monas is 25/1 with the bookies.
Sam is 7/2 on.
Now they always get it wrong dont they.
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| Quote ="Tricky Dicky"Monas is 25/1 with the bookies.
Sam is 7/2 on.
Now they always get it wrong dont they.'"
I remember the bookies getting it wrong one day.
CC final 1998
Come to think of it, a team got it wrong, too
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