Watch him closely, he should be penalised at every single PTB, every single one.

Westwood's taken a couple of heads off, Bailey is Bailey, and Sims slapped Williams in the mush last season...all true...but I'm not talking about big incidents once or twice a season or even in a career nor "thug" stuff, I'm talking about niggly slowing tactics in every single tackle he ever makes, every one!

I agree. He's the best we have and he lets himself down when he does things like that. He's a player who does silly things when he loses his temper though. I remember a match when he spent the entire game arguing with the ref (I don't think I'd seen him even speak to a ref until that game) and ended up sin binned. He was our only good player in that game too but lost his cool through frustration.

I do think the pack is better than what you make out though. Joel Tomkins is still a good player on his day, but he's been out for a while and still needs to build up match fitness. Isa also started the season very well but you could see he was pretty much a passenger throughout that game. He didn't look fit at all. The props are hit and miss. None of our props make more than 60m in most games and that's tactical, as they generally make fewer carries compared to other teams, but we have no one of the quality of Hill. Too often our props go through the motions and so they can't really effect change.

Just like Chris Hill then. It's part of the game. All teams have players who do it regularly. Often the best and most experienced players do it. If players didn't think to do it themselves they'd be instructed to do it by their coaches. It's nothing new, he's one of dozens who try to slow the play the ball down as often as possible. Every single team has players who do it every chance they get.

I would imagine he's getting a rest next week courtesy of the RFL holiday plan.

Any later and he would have been sent off by Mark Clattenburg ffs

Correct. ..you could have watched ratchford ground the ball ...then gone and made a brew...have a slash...Eat a cream bun...and still got back in time to watch Farrell slide in with the knees. .

He'd gone last night....its just the little Gareth hock stuff that's in his game like getting up off a tackled Westwood with a clenched fist on the cheekbone. ..

We could have given loads of penalties away last night by reacting to that stuff. ..I'm hoping we've come to expect it and have realised it's worth a few points to take the odd cheap shot and concentrate on playing. ...

I wonder if this is another area where Gidleys influence is paying off? How well did he react to the "knock on"?!

Ok you win. I just can't continue to converse with somebody with the equivalent intelligent of an amoeba.

is that why the Wigan end was soooo quiet last night?

Farrell's got previous for it, he did it to McGuire in the GF last year which was even more dangerous given the short in-goals and then slope on the Old Trafford pitch.

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I hate to use the word coward or cowardly when referring to any Rugby League player. By simply stepping over that white line they are showing more balls than I could ever dream of having, but having said that I do think Farrell's actions were one of the most cowardly I have seen on a rugby pitch. He could easily have stayed on his feet and made no contact whatsoever with Ratchford yet he chose to slide in with no risk to himself but a genuine risk of causing serious injury to an opponent.

Every now and then I find myself softening to Shaun Wane and his wigan teams overly aggresive approach and then something like this happens and I realise just how much I despise him, his approach, his tactics, his players who are willing to follow his instructions and the apologist wigan fans who seem to think that the whole of RL hate them simply because they are wigan.

To be fair they are not a bright bunch at best are they?

Cretin of a player. Let's hope the 'rugby league gods' pay him a visit.

Talk about sensationalism. No comment on your own player who tackled with the knees then? I won't even dispute how stupid, reckless and pointless it was, but one of the most cowardly things you've seen on a rugby pitch? Give over.

Against a backdrop of a coach and apparent club culture which openly encourages players to "create f*****g mayhem, be reckless" and/or to "Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free rein than that," and against a player who having just scored is likely to be as relaxed as not expecting a hit as it's possible to be on a rugby pitch I'd say it's pretty cowardly. The only risk of injury to Farrell would be if a Wire player took him on, which is unlikely to happen this season as the retaliator more often than not gets to go for a rest. Though to be fair, I probably have overreacted, sensationalized and exaggerated it a little as I had forgotten Ben Flowers second punch.

The fact that you refer to a Warrington player tackling with his knees (please tell, which one?) shows that you may have seen Farrell's action as more as a late tackle rather than the probably deliberate attempt to injure that it appeared to be.

Bloody hell, 6 pages about the match and 6 pages of hysteria about the evils of Wigan. Farrell does give away the odd stupid penalty like that, hopefully now it's been punished with an 8 point try he will stop sliding in with the knees. I don't agree that Stef milked it, he's not like that, but calls for a sin bin, red card or ban are way OTT. If he had already done it once during the game, gone straight into the player (as opposed to the floor) or made contact with the head then fair enough.

Congratulations on your win, I think we were lucky Sandow went off or it could have been a real drubbing. Hopefully we'll get a game with us both close to full strength in summer, I expect us to win a trophy each this year.

Westwood - yes, dirty on his day, in that he'll throw a punch now and then and the occasional high shot.

Ryan Bailey - lol, he hasn't even played for us yet.

Sims - I see this a lot, but where are the examples of him doing anything like what Farrell did last night? Name three occasions.

That's a point. The Pie Dome's home end is equivalent to a morgue on a good day, but that on Friday night was abysmal.

It was another level of quiet that. Where they waiting for the the 'clap lights' to come on?

I've herd more noise on my nephews computer when he's playing subuteo. It is like a library at there end sssshhhhh

So when do we find out when the Ginger pearl necklace is up before Red Hall...tomorrow?

Btw Hatfield...hope you enjoyed your 1st Wigan away, personally thought the atmosphere in the North stand was fantastic,hopefully the south stand do us proud on the return fixture in a few weeks time.

Yes they look at all the games on a monday and post it that day with the outcomes on a tuesday.

Charge grade B light contact with the knee 1-2 games

It still wasn't cowardly. Cassidy on Morley. Flower on Hohaia, Westwood on Green etc I class as cowardly. It was many things (foul play included) but it wasn't cowardly. I also don't think it was an attempt to injure as he both hit the ground and hit the legs. I know where I'd aim for if I wanted to take him out of the game. Deserved ban, it's creeping into the game, particularly when it comes to tackles on the wing close to the line (It was Russell on Manfredi btw, not nearly as cynical but it was there) over the last couple of seasons and hopefully this time the message gets through that you can't do it.

This whole thing that Wane was filmed saying too is a bit daft. Like coaches up and down the country haven't used emotive language and exaggeration to fire their players up. Rugby League players are certainly able to read between the lines. I'm sure all of them in that dressing room heard "Create mayhem, be reckless, knock people out" and understood it to mean "be agressive, get in their faces, hit them hard, take risks". I mean, I know people think he is, but Wane (and the Wigan team) aren't nearly that stupid to say that when the cameras are rolling.