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| blah blah blah, as a wigan fan i think you should keep your nose out, i feel and i'm sure others may agree that TS was using the thomas incident to emphasise that there are laws within the game to stop abusive language once it offends, rather than the "light hearted banter" we have come to love in our game. he says that once it crosses from one to the other laws need to be utilsed to stop said behaviour! nothing else.
now i feel that if "madge" had made the same comments you wouldn't have even bothered to try and pick holes at all (just a feeling, i know but hey, i could be right)
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| The Messiah can say what he likes, when he likes.
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| Quote ="74'"The Messiah can say what he likes, when he likes.'"
+1
silly Wigan fans, trying to use their two combined braincells. Making 2+2= 900
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| Quote ="Deano G"I think it would be best for Smith, Warrington and the game if a clarificatory statement could be issued by the club/Smith making it clear that Smith did not compare the two situations and if he did refer to the Thomas case in the interview it was merely to point out that there is a disciplinary procedure for abusive chanting. Wire fans can stick their heads in the sand if they want. As I Wigan fan, if we were in the same situation I would want Madge and the club to clarify what was said right away.'"
post of the week... so you want smith to come out and clarify what he said?... even though every word he said is written down in the interview.
any dolt with half a braincell can see what smith said... its quite easy to spot.. its in speech quotes... journalists use these when quoting someone... read the article back and look for the text in speech quotes...this will then give you the clarification you so desire.
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If you actually read the article you'd see the wording that I've already quoted, where the writer says that [u Smith believes there is a precedent[/u. He is not directly quoting Smith but he is claiming that Smith thinks the cases involve similar principles (because that's what "precedent" means"icon_wink.gif, whereas clearly the cases are similar only in that they involve abuse, the subject matter is entirely different.
I think it would be good for the game if Wire or Smith issued a press release confirming their position on this. I don't see why it would be a big deal for them to do this.
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| of course smith believes there is a precedent....good lord.
the precedent being abuse overstepping a mark.
Quote ="Tony Smith"If it's good fun then fair enough, but if it goes overboard there are rules and regulations'"
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Rugby League will not tolerate racist,
sexist or homophobic abuse or
harassment of any type in the game from
players (young or old) or volunteers or
spectators involved in the game.'"
its really not that hard a thing to grasp.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"of course smith believes there is a precedent....good lord.
the precedent being abuse overstepping a mark.'"
Indeed. And that's all Wire have to clarify.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"of course smith believes there is a precedent....good lord.
the precedent being abuse overstepping a mark.'"
Indeed. And that's all Wire have to clarify.'"
even with the words infront of you, you still want clarification of them.
genius.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Quote ="Deano G"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"of course smith believes there is a precedent....good lord.
the precedent being abuse overstepping a mark.'"
Indeed. And that's all Wire have to clarify.'"
even with the words infront of you, you still want clarification of them.
genius.'"
Not sure why it's so difficult to understand... I'll try yet again...
Being gay is not a bad thing.
Monaghan's behaviour was.
Saying that the way the RL dealt with abuse relating to Thomas is a precedent for Monaghan's case could lead people to believe that a comparison is being drawn between the subject matter.
Not sure why you have an issue with clarifying that the only reason Smith mentioned the Thomas case (if he did, if not then he should make it clear he did not) was to show that there is a disciplinary procedure.
Given the homophobia in certain sections of the game that was exposed in the Thomas case I would have expected all decent RL fans to be very sensitive to the need not to cause further offence. Clearly this is not a priority for you and others on this board.
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| I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you... you can plainly see that smith made no direct reference to the thomas case...
I could quote smith directly again... but what's the point... you're hell bent on getting someone to deny something that was quite obviously never said.
so no... this clearly isnt a priority to me and others on this board... and if its a priority for you in your life, then i think you should get some new ones.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Not sure why you have an issue with clarifying that the only reason Smith mentioned the Thomas case (if he did, if not then he should make it clear he did not) was to show that there is a disciplinary procedure.'"
sorry one last post on the matter..... i would just like to say i think you're barking up the wrong tree.
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| Has anyone got any spare molehills? I'm collecting them in the hope of creating a large mountain out of them.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
thats christmas ruined then.
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| Quote ="Bobby Digital"Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
thats christmas ruined then.'"
I surely hope not, for all concerned.
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| Quote ="Bobby Digital"Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
thats christmas ruined then.'"
think i might watch elf to cheer myself up.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
i guess i just couldn't let sleeping dogs lie.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Quote ="Bobby Digital"Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
thats christmas ruined then.'"
think i might watch elf to cheer myself up.'"
When i need cheering up,i just look at old copies of Razzle and Mayfair.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Quote ="Wires71"Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm not going to waste anymore of my time on replying to you'"
Sadly you did, twice.'"
i guess i just couldn't let sleeping dogs lie.'"
LOL no dig at you pal, I get your point. It's a storm in a tea cup but Monaghan will get ribbed mercilessly (as we would ensure if he played for Wigan/Saints/Anyone in SL) and nothing Smith will say will stop it or get it stopped by the RFL. All it's done is draw more attention to it.
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| Quote ="Deano G"The problem with the article is the comment by the writer that Smith believes there is a precedent he can use to silence abusive fans.
I don't believe that Smith drew a comparison between the two, but the writer uses the word "precedent". A quick trip to an online dictionary gave this definition of that word:
"a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases."
The cases are similar in that they involve abuse (or potential abuse) but are also [uvery[/u different. Given the problems the game has had relating to homophobia I doubt the RFL will be pleased to see this kind of story - it's obvious that all leading figures in the game should be very careful about what they say on the Thomas case and if they are misquoted or wrongly quoted or the article doesn't reflect their views, as I'm sure is the case here, they should set the record straight immediately.
I think it would be best for Smith, Warrington and the game if a clarificatory statement could be issued by the club/Smith making it clear that Smith did not compare the two situations and if he did refer to the Thomas case in the interview it was merely to point out that there is a disciplinary procedure for abusive chanting. Wire fans can stick their heads in the sand if they want. As I Wigan fan, if we were in the same situation I would want Madge and the club to clarify what was said right away.'"
Will Madge clarify Amos Roberts saying that the new shirt is "gay" ?
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| is it any wonder though .....take last year for example when new signing Ryan Atkins was asked if he thought Warrington could go one better and win the two trophies... and he said "yes theres no reason why we cant"
cue the pie eaters claiming we are all arogant cocks saying we are going to win the lot...
I find its only worthwhile listening to a pie eater if they are in posession of a geniune certificate from the 'i'm not a simpleton society' otherwise give em a wide berth.
you should see a pie eater in Leigh they have to get clarification on Pies ...god forbid they eat a lobby by mistake...
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| Quote ="Yed"Quote ="Deano G"The problem with the article is the comment by the writer that Smith believes there is a precedent he can use to silence abusive fans.
I don't believe that Smith drew a comparison between the two, but the writer uses the word "precedent". A quick trip to an online dictionary gave this definition of that word:
"a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases."
The cases are similar in that they involve abuse (or potential abuse) but are also [uvery[/u different. Given the problems the game has had relating to homophobia I doubt the RFL will be pleased to see this kind of story - it's obvious that all leading figures in the game should be very careful about what they say on the Thomas case and if they are misquoted or wrongly quoted or the article doesn't reflect their views, as I'm sure is the case here, they should set the record straight immediately.
I think it would be best for Smith, Warrington and the game if a clarificatory statement could be issued by the club/Smith making it clear that Smith did not compare the two situations and if he did refer to the Thomas case in the interview it was merely to point out that there is a disciplinary procedure for abusive chanting. Wire fans can stick their heads in the sand if they want. As I Wigan fan, if we were in the same situation I would want Madge and the club to clarify what was said right away.'"
Will Madge clarify Amos Roberts saying that the new shirt is "gay" ?'"
I haven't seen anything to suggest Amos has said what you allege. If you have then I suggest you write to Wigan and the RL.
If anyone associated with a club uses the word gay in a negative way then that would be a breach of the RL's guidance to clubs on homophobia. I would support action against any person breaching those guidelines, whether connected with Wigan or any other club.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Quote ="Yed"Quote ="Deano G"The problem with the article is the comment by the writer that Smith believes there is a precedent he can use to silence abusive fans.
I don't believe that Smith drew a comparison between the two, but the writer uses the word "precedent". A quick trip to an online dictionary gave this definition of that word:
"a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases."
The cases are similar in that they involve abuse (or potential abuse) but are also [uvery[/u different. Given the problems the game has had relating to homophobia I doubt the RFL will be pleased to see this kind of story - it's obvious that all leading figures in the game should be very careful about what they say on the Thomas case and if they are misquoted or wrongly quoted or the article doesn't reflect their views, as I'm sure is the case here, they should set the record straight immediately.
I think it would be best for Smith, Warrington and the game if a clarificatory statement could be issued by the club/Smith making it clear that Smith did not compare the two situations and if he did refer to the Thomas case in the interview it was merely to point out that there is a disciplinary procedure for abusive chanting. Wire fans can stick their heads in the sand if they want. As I Wigan fan, if we were in the same situation I would want Madge and the club to clarify what was said right away.'"
Will Madge clarify Amos Roberts saying that the new shirt is "gay" ?'"
I haven't seen anything to suggest Amos has said what you allege. If you have then I suggest you write to Wigan and the RL.
If anyone associated with a club uses the word gay in a negative way then that would be a breach of the RL's guidance to clubs on homophobia. I would support action against any person breaching those guidelines, whether connected with Wigan or any other club.'"
you are so far up yourself it's untrue! get over yourself!
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| I'm getting the feeling the subject matter may well be a little close to home for him.
Thou protesteth to much.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"I'm getting the feeling the subject matter may well be a little close to home for him.
Thou protesteth to much.'"
A truly appalling post. I wonder how many other people in RL share your views given some of the nonsense spouted on this thread and the one on the Wigan board.
I'll be interested to see what if any action is taken by the moderators on this. The RFL has said it wants a zero tolerance approach on homophobia and I am being attacked in this and other posts for following that line. Unbelievable.
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