I'LL LEAVE THIS HERE.

DARYL POWELL. 2ND WORST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE CLUB. 35% win ratio

Only Plange has a worse record with a 25% win ratio

I think I may have mentioned this, but I'm not defending him tonight.

I am at the point of accepting a relegation battle now. As much as we don't want to accept it, we are in one. I'm an Everton fan, and I tried to deny it last season for as long as possible, but I can promise you, we are in a relegation fight. I thought it wasn't true with Everton but week after week it just got worse. It needs to be accepted for Warrington now.

Personally, I want Powell to go, but realistically, the board won't be getting rid of him unless there are serious protests from fans, or they have a change of heart which is unlikely. So where I'm at now is, I'm just going to accept that if he can keep us up, he should stay. But next year, he MUST get us to the Playoffs or he has got to go. Not just missing out by a point or two, or playing some good rugby here and there. It MUST be Playoffs.

The potential benefit to him staying next season is that he will have a 'brand new' squad full of players he has hand picked to deliver results and build the right culture. So he has no excuses. However, my problem with next season is what are we supposed to look like? There doesn't appear to be a structured attack, defence or kicking game and he has had 19 games in charge plus a pre-season. How aren't even one of those things in place at this point. We can't even convincingly score past teams that are a man down. We even struggled against Leeds in Round 1 when they had 11 players on the pitch. I'm pretty sure we conceded a try too.

I have a couple of options in mind as replacements. If we were to pick up one of the NRL outcasts then we have Trent Barrett, Michael Maguire or possibly Justin Holbrook soon enough who would be a semi-realistic option as he has Super League experience.

If we were to try and poach someone from the NRL, chances are it's an Assistant Coach with some pedigree. That for me would be Stephen Kearney. Current Melbourne Storm assistant coach behind Craig Bellamy. Won 2 World Cups with New Zealand. Maybe doesn't have the best overall record but he's someone I'd be willing to try if we were looking for someone. Although, if we were to poach from Super League I'd be up for Steve McNamara.

But I think the realistic and sensible option is still Tony Smith. Just look at what he did for us. People will mention 2017 but I'm still convinced that Richard Agar took over the Head Coaching duties while Smith became Director of Rugby. We did really miss Sandow though.

The thing that frustrates me about this season so much is that it's just catastrophic compared to Smith or Price's first season, even if you choose 2009 or 2010 as Smith's first 'proper' season. They both made us extremely competitive in 2010 and 2018.

Just keep in mind that we apparently had a squad that was 'toxic' and had a 'bad culture', yet Price still got us to 3rd Place, the Challenge Cup Semi Final, gave us a Top 3 attack and Top 3 defence.

In conclusion... I'm happy to let Powell see out this season and go again next season provided we stay up. After that we need success. If not, Powell out, Smith in... But could you imagine next seasons team with Smith as the attacking coach and Price as the defensive coach? What a dream.

Thanks for reading!

We are ed then because there is no battle or fight in this squad.

I'm not going to come the smart with those who wanted to give Powell a chance or believe that we couldn't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. It is completely normal to be optimistic and I probably supported Smith and Price for too long. But we have loved up, Lowes style, with thisnl guy and it's time to cut our losses before we get seriously hurt.

I think Anderson had a lower win percentage.

Even Cullens win % that season was 33%

You have to stick with him. He's literally crafted everything for next season.

Your pack was absolutely filthy this year and needed major reconstruction but needed players to be moved on to be able to do that.

I'm stunned Oli Holmes has been so ineffective, couldn't believe that stat that his first try was last week, he used to score regularly for Cas.

Matuatia a bit like his brother has total turd for brains. He does have a good game in him but the lower his confidence gets the more of a liability he becomes.

It really is a torrid run especially when you consider you won your first 3 didn't you ?

Think I saw someone call Powell stubborn, that's one hell of an understatement.

I'll always be a big fan of his and I hope he turns things round but its obviously not an overnight job.

This man could well lead us to losing the title of being one of only, 3 is it? Teams to have never played a season outside of the top flight of our sport and some people are still bleating on about him getting a fair crack. HE'S HAD IT. Get him out the door now.

Those trying to put out lines as well like "well if he goes now you'll never have known if he could have gotten us the big one" And? Who gives one. I won't lose sleep over that nonsense, can only miss what I've seen and the 2022 season needs a wire brush on the brain.

It's fair enough wanting him out. But it's absolutely ridiculous using a win percentage to compare a coach's record 2/3rds into a into a season during a total rebuild.

I'm in agreement though with defence should be better, attack is still poor, attitude problems still remain.

I wasn't a fan of Holmes at cas, baz n tez over hyped him and massey (imo) but he's been bad bad bad

I don't know what I find more laughable - that people were still talking about last night as the end of the playoff dream or that people are still defending him.

I was delighted with his appointment but it's been a disaster. It happens in sport, what should work on paper doesn't pan out. Clough at Leeds, Moyes at Man U etc.

But you can't just blindly hope things will improve; there are no signs whatsoever that Powell will turn this around even after (another) close season, new signings etc. He increasingly sounds, looks and acts like a rabbit in the headlights and his management style has clearly alienated him and his staff.

Thank god for those unconvincing early wins, or we'd be dead and buried already.

20 metres made from 80 minutes last night from Holmes. An absolute disgrace and should be fined a weeks wages but instead he’ll be in the starting line up next week.

Minikin, holmes and Mata'utia shouldn't be playing and Harrison needs a short break to work on his game IMO, he will come back stronger for sure.

Why can't we manage a game from the halves, all that experience and zero game management, zero creativity. He's changed the players, he's kept his underperforming cas mates in the team at the expense of better performing youngsters and other members of the squad and the performances haven't improved. Why are we continuing with such a poor kicking game, why do we still have no game management, why is the our attack clunky (to put it kindly), why can't we defend, why can't we show any backbone? It's like the players have never met each other and it has been all season.

Why isn't there any inward looking from Powell, your defence coach and attack coaches are not getting their methods and ideas across effectively. Why has there been no changes there?

I don't see this turning around, if we get to the point where we are 2 points from relegation the change needs to be made. If we scrape past relegation will he turn it around with the new squad or will they just come in and underperformed too?

Who's been defending Powell last night? I haven't. What's laughable is, once again you making things up. I seem to remember a few weeks back, after the Cats game, you accusing some of being sanctimonious after victory, yet when asked to demonstrate a post you found sanctimonious, you failed to reply.

You might be confusing the highlighting of anomalies in stat comparing and short memories concerning our performance over the past 6/7 years with a defence of Powell.

It hasn't been good enough and Powell has been disappointing and made mistakes. I'm wondering myself whether we've made the right decision and am in agreement with the points made about lack of progress etc. But it has to be taken into the context of mass upheaval, and therefore the debate isn't so simple. Some are plucking out win percentage stats which really aren't helpful to either side of the debate as they don't effectively compare like for like.

It's all opinions, we can't predict the future. That's what makes this debate so interesting.

Trying to think of all the worrying signs from Powell;

The love of Holmes
Matautia as his main man
Minikin signing and playing over Wrench
Ratchford getting a 2 year deal and this weak man as our captain and his continued appearance in the starting 13.
Signing Kyle Amor (he’s technically a Widnes player not a saints player)
Nicholson behind Holmes and Currie in the second row pecking order
Atrocious defence
Atrocious attack
Slagging off young players
Adding to the list of excuses for losses he’d already exhausted at Cas

Mikaele, Nicholson and Wardle are good signings but I don’t think they offset the above.

I agree with this - it's very concerning. Hopefully he learns from these mistakes and the situation improves.

Just hope saints turn wakey over which they should and Salford beat Toulouse...gunna still be behind Powell but defeat to Toulouse and my opinion of him will change..fwiw didn't go last night but it sounds shocking

Don't see Powell being sacked but we have to ask how many of his signings have impressed. His team selection is confusing, our defence is poor and our attack is mostly ineffective. Clearly the board are waiting for next season.

It's not been good, but there is basically a whole new team he needs to gel in a relatively short space of time - I've never seen such a player turn around before. I'm not defending Powell here, just trying to put things in perspective.

Dear GazWire,

You don't have a right to reply, and I didn't think your question worthy of one anyway. But since you ask, my sanctimonious comment was made in reaponse to a flurry of comments that seemed to think the Catalans result whitewashed everything the came before it, was undeniable proof that Powell was a genius, that a corner had been irrefutably turned and the charge to Old Trafford was underway - and that anyone urging caution was just sone lame old curmudgeon.

Regards Moz

Once again, making things up: a few people had a pop at people for their impatience. I can't recall anyone implying remotely that Powell was a genius and some including myself thought we may have turned a corner - but certainly not irrefutably. I think you sometimes get over excited with your own hyperbole and miss the true content of what some posters are actually communicating.

What was worth remarking on, in terms of a change in posture after the Catalans defeat, was the numbers of switchers from Powell out to Powell in. Only for this to switch again the following week. You sometimes need to be more receptive to posts outside your agenda, and perhaps you'll be less likely to misrepresent.

This is a club who kept Steve Price for 2 more years than they should have. No way Powell is sacked this season. The club is currently tweeting about buying hoodies.

Powell trying to offset his lack of coaching ability by signing more and more players. I don't think theyre your answer to be honest.

I watched that preseason meet Powell had with your players, god it was dreadful, how anyone could be inspired by him I don't know.

Saints sacked a coach who has a statue of himself outside their ground for much less than what Powell is currently doing but apparently everything will be ok next season. Sack him, sack him today!! He is coaching the attack and defence and it's the worst I've ever seen

Considering we were playing a much depleted HKR ,we should really have kicked on from our early lead ,but allowed HKR back in the game . We should have won that game but once the penalties & handling errors crept in it was curtains for us. Danny McGuire's men had a better game plan & played for 80 minutes. There is obviously a lack of confidence in the squad now but if the season is to be saved we need to seriously address handling mistakes & find an 80 minute game plan. Front foot rugby should be the order of the day.