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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Yes it is. That was wigans second string in third bloody gear. Had they bothered they could've got to 60+ and done us a favour and got rid of the fool. Who will finish below us? No-one on current form'"
That's what frustrates me the most - it was very apparent that after 20 minutes, Wigan decided to relax and take it easy, as they were under no threat whatsoever. Regardless of injuries, if they had been in a more ruthless mood it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
It's an absolute mess and I'm really not sure what the short-term answer is. But according to the pillock stood in front of me tonight, I'm not a real fan because I didn't woop and clap when we scored our final try!
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| Looks like Warrington are the new 'whipping boy super league rabble' club.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"That's what frustrates me the most - it was very apparent that after 20 minutes, Wigan decided to relax and take it easy, as they were under no threat whatsoever. Regardless of injuries, if they had been in a more ruthless mood it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
It's an absolute mess and I'm really not sure what the short-term answer is. But according to the pillock stood in front of me tonight, I'm not a real fan because I didn't woop and clap when we scored our final try!'"
The old your supposed to support them band out again? Cannot stand such folk - people like they, accepting mediocrity (which we can only dream of at present) help to hold the club back. The definition of a supporter or fan is someone that has an interest in a club and wants them to succeed. Put simply, given what Smith has had at his disposal, we have not succeeded for the last 4 seasons.
In answer to the first question the simple answer is yes. The return of Chris Hill and Ratchford will not suddenly make the players be able to tackle, pass and work hard - all of which they currently are unable or refuse to do. Smith's tactics (if they exist) are outdated and clearly the players refuse to play for him. Time to go.
Throw whatever money you need to at a coach that can get the best out of the players, is able to recruit well and seems to have a succession plan - just hope he is better than the last Daryl(l) we had.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"That's what frustrates me the most - it was very apparent that after 20 minutes, Wigan decided to relax and take it easy, as they were under no threat whatsoever. Regardless of injuries, if they had been in a more ruthless mood it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
It's an absolute mess and I'm really not sure what the short-term answer is. But according to the pillock stood in front of me tonight, I'm not a real fan because I didn't woop and clap when we scored our final try!'"
What worries me about you men last night was how unaware your team seemed.
Ryan Atkins celebrated/gurned at the camera when he scored - at 20-0 down! Seriously; read a room, Ryan.
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| Quote ="Suzy Banyon"What worries me about you men last night was how unaware your team seemed.
Ryan Atkins celebrated/gurned at the camera when he scored - at 20-0 down! Seriously; read a room, Ryan.'"
I've no issue with Atkins celebrate a try...it shows intent. Just more of the same.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I've no issue with Atkins celebrate a try...it shows intent. Just more of the same.'"
It shows delusion. Endemic of Tony Smith's sides.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I've no issue with Atkins celebrate a try...it shows intent. Just more of the same.'"
I'd much rather see him celebrate a try-saving tackle. Or a match-winning try. Unfortunately, he usually manages to mess both up in spectacular fashion!
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| No. We just need to win 10 of the next 19 games. Even if we don't we won't get relegated!
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| It depends what your version of a crisis is i suppose.
What IS clear is that we are now going to be playing the season at the bottom end of the table rather than the top.
Lets just hope this rabble have the heart for the fight.... You have to worry though.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"I'd much rather see him celebrate a try-saving tackle. Or a match-winning try. Unfortunately, he usually manages to mess both up in spectacular fashion!'"
i was livid at him not for not showing any effort whatsoever chasing that kick that ended up no try,
the whole thing from tomkins being allowed to pick the ball up, walk around unchallenged, put an unchallenged kick in and then they nearly scored from it was shocking.
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| dont know what is going on at the moment but something doesnt quite feel right or look right, before the match on sky it showed the dressing room and seemed to me that Tony Smith was giving them all a right rollocking before they even went out to do the warm up? normally it is a brief reminder of game plan, where they are to attack, who are the threats etc, this looked like a complete dressing down
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| What puzzles me is how we can go from playing tight error free rugby for 40 mins against the Broncos, to a gameplan which saw us throwing possession away by trying to force the pass.
Fine if you're desperately chasing the game, but the error started in the first set last night, and it didn't get any better.
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| First thing I'd be doing this morning if I was TS is digging Ben Harrison's phone number out, apologising and telling him he's in for Leigh.
We're in for a dogfight and Ben is one lad I'd have in the trenches straight away.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"First thing I'd be doing this morning if I was TS is digging Ben Harrison's phone number out, apologising and telling him he's in for Leigh.
We're in for a dogfight and Ben is one lad I'd have in the trenches straight away.'"
I feel the same way about Grix. He has a way to go in terms of fitness but his on-field presence is worth it. Saying that, if Blythe managed to get a game after his performance at Spotland the other week, Grix certainly can!
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| Matty Blythe spent last night and this morning searching his name on Twitter and liking tweets about him.
If he put as much effort into playing rugby as he did searching his own name he'd be half decent.
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| Blythe wasn't one of the poorest players last night. He, Clark(again), Lineham, Evans when he came on, were the only players to have some credit at time's last night imo.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Blythe wasn't one of the poorest players last night. He, Clark(again), Lineham, Evans when he came on, were the only players to have some credit at time's last night imo.'"
Not sure why your talking up Blythe so much, he has done nothing to warrant it.
Ask yourself, would he get in Cas or Wigans starting line up?!
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| He could barely get in bradfords ffs!! Another to add to the list of garbage smith signings
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| That may well be true...,but it's also true he wasn't the worst player in our team last night.
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| The Blythe/Russell centre/wing combination was targeted by Wigan all night, & was woeful in defence.
The amount of tries they conceded owing to their poor positioning was embarrassing.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"Yes it is, its an absolute disaster, and the simple fact is there are 19 games left of the regular season. That's NINETEEN.
Ben Currie wont be back for any of those that a fact.
by the time Chris Hill and ratchford are back there could be about Fifteen games left. we wont win a game without Chris Hill playing.
we have to win TEN games to avoid playing in the middle 8's...
TEN .....
are you joking....win ten games out of fifteen ... we would have to go on some kind of 1986 end of season premiership winning run....
only one team is worse than us and that's Leeds,
only one team has a worse squad than us that's Leigh
No team has a worse defence than us.
there is no way you can seriously expect this team to be playing super 8's rugby come the end of the season.
I'm not having a single word of What Tony Smith is serving up he needs to be sacked right now...'"
League table says otherwise
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| To get back to the thread title......lose on Thursday, and I expect Mr Smith to be running around with his underpants on his head, shouting "DON'T PANIC, DON'T PANIC, WE'VE LOST FIVE GAMES, DON'T PANIC" a la Corporal Jones in Dad's Army.
Forgive me for repeating myself (I've mentioned this, once or twice, before), but we've been sleepwalking into this, since 2011. Yes, that's SEVEN seasons ago. The season we've played the most entertaining rugby I've seen.
Surely it wasn't just me, that could see an ex NRL prop in his early 30's, with a serious eye problem that forced him out for months, was very near the end of his career. Smith kept him for another 2 seasons.
Surely it wasn't just me, that could see a half back, who had a penchant for picking up leg muscle injuries, keeping him out for 2-3-4 weeks at a time. FFS, if it wasn't for a specialist advising him to retire at the end of 2014 with a different injury, Smith would still be playing him now.
Surely it wasn't just me, who could see other 30+ year old players that we're nearing the end, but Smith simply stuck his head on the sand, and ignored the march of time on these players.
Don't get me wrong, these players are club legends, but there comes a time when you have to be ruthless. We should have acted sooner. There's no room in sentiment in sport. See Ferguson in football. If he sees a player has outgrown his usefulness.... out he goes.
We're seeing the same with Westwood, now. The fella was gone, two or three years ago. But we're treating him like the 15 year old family dog. Too sentimental to see his suffering.
Smith's recruitment stinks. His approach is scattergun, with the "just throw some money at it" with players at the top end of the market, and "make do and mend" from your bargain basement, ooops shelf at Asda, player.
I agree with many on here. Wane's got him at arm's length, patting him on the head, when they beat us in important games. He's easily got the measure of Smith.
As I said, sleepwalking for years. Let's not kid ourselves. 2 finals and a LLS, in the worse SL season ever, in terms of quality, simply papered over the cracks.
Oh, and if he suddenly decides to pull his finger out, and turn this debacle around, perhaps he could tell that fraud Stuart fluffing Pearce to sling his fluffing hook, and never darken our door again.A man who's most famous for missing a penalty, and being an all round loser, is asked to give motivational speeches before cup finals.......only at Warrington, eh?
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"To get back to the thread title......lose on Thursday, and I expect Mr Smith to be running around with his underpants on his head, shouting "DON'T PANIC, DON'T PANIC, WE'VE LOST FIVE GAMES, DON'T PANIC" a la Corporal Jones in Dad's Army.
Forgive me for repeating myself (I've mentioned this, once or twice, before), but we've been sleepwalking into this, since 2011. Yes, that's SEVEN seasons ago. The season we've played the most entertaining rugby I've seen.
Surely it wasn't just me, that could see an ex NRL prop in his early 30's, with a serious eye problem that forced him out for months, was very near the end of his career. Smith kept him for another 2 seasons.
Surely it wasn't just me, that could see a half back, who had a penchant for picking up leg muscle injuries, keeping him out for 2-3-4 weeks at a time. FFS, if it wasn't for a specialist advising him to retire at the end of 2014 with a different injury, Smith would still be playing him now.
Surely it wasn't just me, who could see other 30+ year old players that we're nearing the end, but Smith simply stuck his head on the sand, and ignored the march of time on these players.
Don't get me wrong, these players are club legends, but there comes a time when you have to be ruthless. We should have acted sooner. There's no room in sentiment in sport. See Ferguson in football. If he sees a player has outgrown his usefulness.... out he goes.
We're seeing the same with Westwood, now. The fella was gone, two or three years ago. But we're treating him like the 15 year old family dog. Too sentimental to see his suffering.
Smith's recruitment stinks. His approach is scattergun, with the "just throw some money at it" with players at the top end of the market, and "make do and mend" from your bargain basement, ooops shelf at Asda, player.
I agree with many on here. Wane's got him at arm's length, patting him on the head, when they beat us in important games. He's easily got the measure of Smith.
As I said, sleepwalking for years. Let's not kid ourselves. 2 finals and a LLS, in the worse SL season ever, in terms of quality, simply papered over the cracks.
Oh, and if he suddenly decides to pull his finger out, and turn this debacle around, perhaps he could tell that fraud Stuart fluffing Pearce to sling his fluffing hook, and never darken our door again.A man who's most famous for missing a penalty, and being an all round loser, is asked to give motivational speeches before cup finals.......only at Warrington, eh?'"
I had to stop myself from standing up and clapping after reading this!
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| Go on, stand and clap.
You know you want to.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"Yes it is, its an absolute disaster, and the simple fact is there are 19 games left of the regular season. That's NINETEEN.
Ben Currie wont be back for any of those that a fact.
by the time Chris Hill and ratchford are back there could be about Fifteen games left. we wont win a game without Chris Hill playing.
we have to win TEN games to avoid playing in the middle 8's...
TEN .....
are you joking....win ten games out of fifteen ... we would have to go on some kind of 1986 end of season premiership winning run....
only one team is worse than us and that's Leeds,
only one team has a worse squad than us that's Leigh
No team has a worse defence than us.
The Leigh squad put in 100% effort and commitment for 80 minutes per game win lose or draw. Play as a team and try to win games. Which puts them head and shoulders above the Warrington team of " no luck we don't belong at the bottom of the table" so I think that you'll find that you have the worst squad in the league, and.going off your post, the worst fans
there is no way you can seriously expect this team to be playing super 8's rugby come the end of the season.
I'm not having a single word of What Tony Smith is serving up he needs to be sacked right now...'"
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