Williams was far far better than Riley yesterday but has not proved himself at Superleague level yet as Riley clearly has. He may not become a first choice winger, but to ignore all the good stuff he did yesterday is a little unfair. The first try took a lot of scoring and he did well to defuse the Salford kick in the first place. He made an error at the end. Many others made errors too, that happens. Your post is a little harsh to say the least.

Riley is clearly a winger. I'm not saying he's bad @ full back, but for me he doesn't come into the line enough to create things in the same way that Hodgson does.

Another negative thread about one of our up and coming players...

Not many chime into the line as well as Hodgey, that is no disgrace on the on the part of Riley. Regarding Williams, the jury is out for me. Sometimes he shows some really nice touches and other times seems he is not quite so sure footed. Not sure whether it is confidence thing, I would just like to see him get a run of games and play with the same enthusiasm as Riley and then we can make a more considered judgement. The only problem is that when you are a fringe player, which Rhys currently is, you don't get many chances to play, so when you do get the nod you really have to grasp the opportunity with both hands and really show what you can do. There is something there we just need to try and tease it out.

He never does grasp it, I tend to walk away from games thinking he's a bit of a lazy get

I can see why you would think that. Lets's hope not because he might not get another game for a few weeks now. He could do with watching a few old Dessy videos to understand what running and defending with enthusiasm looks like. He's got the build, just needs to use it.

He seems to have an over abundance of "can't be d-ness" see him giving up on chasing the hull player last year, and his lazy kick returns, when he actually did them.



In closing, twer Evans fit, Williams wouldn't get into the side

Fair enough then. If his attitude isn't right then he doesn't deserve a place. Shame though as he has the raw talent that perhaps Riley does not.

Not sure criticism of kick returns is fair. Riley has to induce a semi voluntary tackle in order not to be driven back 10 yards in the tackle most of the time.

Williams hasn't really been given a run to prove himself. Not saying that there is a reason to give him a go, as Riley has done perfectly well this season, apart from yesterday. Difficult to criticise him, when he is 3rd choice FB, filling in. Missing one and one tackles does worry me though. His tackling hasn't improved noticeably, unlike the rest of his game.

Williams could have scored about 8 tries yesterday if Briers and Myler were playing. They were terrified by Atkins leaving all sorts of space for Williams! Perhaps in a tighter game with less obvious space his apparent attitude issues would be more of a problem.

He won't get in this week even with Evans not fit. If all those who didn't play yesterday were rested, then Smith has a great selection dilemma on Sunday....

Hodgson
Riley
Bridge
Atkins
Monaghan
Briers
O'Brien
Morley
Monaghan
Carvell
Westwood
Waterhouse
Grix

Cooper
Harrison
Hill
Higham

which leaves Wood (!!), McCarthy, Currie, Blythe, Dwyer all out as far as I'm concerned.

Hope thats something like the team we are going to get otherwise we'll struggle.

On the original post I'd put Riley in ahead of Williams every time.

Williams didn't look like he wanted the ball at times against Salford.

On the same note, Riley is ok as covering full back and takes (most) high kicks well but he doesn't have the attacking mentality that Hodgson has.

I'm sure ive just seen Ben Currie in the post office - renewing his passport??

Post office on a Bank Holiday?????

He'll need his Dad with him then.

Rhys williams is a Gary Hulse/John Thursfield/Mark Gleeson type player.

He'll spend most of his time in the A team at this club (and will be paid accordingly) but will do a job of sorts when asked to step up, but more often than not you hope we have other better players available.

Some nonsense spouted on here today! Rhys is not lazy and certainly hasnt got a poor attitude.

Thankfully the coaching staff do rate him highly; I think people forget how well he did to score his first try yesterday and like to dwell on the mistake near the end.

He has a lot of competition for a place in the side in his position and he just needs to be patient; he really is a cracking lad with a superb attitude.

Let's get behind the youngsters rather than trying to find fault all the time.

Williams is simply not good enough ! Riley has improved but not irreplaceable he's in no way a fullback !

this

Cheers Reilly

Good job Walter is here to bring sense to some of the posters on here.

Walter, are you sure you know more than some of the great coaches on here?

His first try yesterday was an impressive finish but it's rare that I've seen much from him that makes me think he'll make it at the top of SL. Wasn't he supposedly the quickest player at the club? I've never seen any pace to be honest. Smith obviously does rate him though.

He's got pace for sure. I'm fairly sure he is quicker than Riley. Playing wing isn't really about pace anymore though. Presumably playing centre isn't either, as Atkins can't get in the England squad. Everytime I see Welham miss a tackle I just shake my head.

Back to Williams, the problem is he hasn't really had a chance. He clearly isn't top drawer, nor can Smith really rate him, otherwise he would force his way into the side. I just don't see anything in Riley to suggest he is much better than Williams. Riley has played well, and shouldn't be dropped, but don't see us missing him if he gets injured.

Arghhhhhhhhhhh! all this bollox & negative sheeit about our players is doing my head in!


stop it now!

'kin hell Slim, stop moaning

don't get me started, can't get time off this weekend, all my mates are going!
bloody work, don't get me started, why do people think it's ok to turn up at A&E drunk as a lord to request ****************************************(edited after another period of reflection)
shall i continue?



bloody bank holidays!