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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum"I suspect there will be calls for teams to be able to refer a decision upstairs rather than rely on the ref to send it to the VR.'"
That or borrow from VAR. Although football's implementation of that is terrible, a similar system where the video referee can press a button which puts a red light up somewhere in the ground and just holds up the restart until he's checked it could be used. There doesn't have to be anything on the screen to stir up the crowd, just let the video ref check it. If he thinks there's reasonable grounds for a review, he instantly presses to do that. He doesnt' review the whole thing while the game is held up.
Having said that it really doesn't matter what system they use, they will still mess it up. I'd have given Knowles' try and I'd have given Lineham's. The worst decision of the whole day though for me was giving Warrington the scrum when Percival scores. I can take the video ref not overruling the knock on decision, but there is a clear touch onto Taia in the first place by Warrington, yet you got the scrum.
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| Saddened who are you trying to fool with your try bollox...if that's a try then we may as well cross the try line and throw the ball downwards like yanky footy you lot know it weren't a try..just like the 3 yards pass at our gaff weren't a try..linehams try that was chalked is very dubious..end of day you had it shoved up you take it and stop crying...remember its always our year...
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"Saddened who are you trying to fool with your try bollox...if that's a try then we may as well cross the try line and throw the ball downwards like yanky footy you lot know it weren't a try..just like the 3 yards pass at our gaff weren't a try..linehams try that was chalked is very dubious..end of day you had it shoved up you take it and stop crying...remember its always our year...'"
I'm not crying, I've said all along you deserved your win. Have some class like others on here. Even the Duck hasn't hit me with a 'told you so' yet.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"but he allowed some truly blatant stuff to go on '"
I remember two bits of foul play in the match - the forearm smash by Makinson on Clark and the swinging arm by Taia on Toby King in the last ten minutes.
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"Saddened who are you trying to fool with your try bollox...if that's a try then we may as well cross the try line and throw the ball downwards like yanky footy you lot know it weren't a try..just like the 3 yards pass at our gaff weren't a try..linehams try that was chalked is very dubious..end of day you had it shoved up you take it and stop crying...remember its always our year...'"
Indeed, Hicks was clear in his own mind that it wasn’t a try and gave the decision.
So why would he want to send it upstairs?
By the same argument Hicks was clear in his own mind that Philbin, BMM, Fages, and Clark had scored tries so awarded them.
In both cases Hicks was clear in his own mind and therefore had no need to go to video.
When he was unclear in his mind he went to video
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| Quote ="just_browny"I remember two bits of foul play in the match - the forearm smash by Makinson and the swinging arm by Paulo on Toby King in the last five minutes.'"
Good examples, there were shoulder charges as well. I'm more on about the general policing of the ruck and offisides rather than violent play, it was all just ignored all game in the hope of having an open game.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Good examples, there were shoulder charges as well. I'm more on about the general policing of the ruck and offisides rather than violent play, it was all just ignored all game in the hope of having an open game.'" Surely the leniency with the ruck and offsides were the same for both teams? Or are you getting at Saints being squeaky clean and Wire being constantly offside and messing at the ruck?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Good examples, there were shoulder charges as well. I'm more on about the general policing of the ruck and offisides rather than violent play, it was all just ignored all game in the hope of having an open game.'"
Who got awarded the most penalties?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I'm not crying, I've said all along you deserved your win. Have some class like others on here. Even the Duck hasn't hit me with a 'told you so' yet.
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| Saints fans of an age are still arguing about a Brian Bevan 'no' try FFS. That sort of bitterness will lead you to an early grave. In the ebb and flow of sport you get some and you miss some...thats life. Move on.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Who got awarded the most penalties?'"
Saints 4 to our 2
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| Quote ="Superblue"Indeed, Hicks was clear in his own mind that it wasn’t a try and gave the decision.
So why would he want to send it upstairs?
By the same argument Hicks was clear in his own mind that Philbin, BMM, Fages, and Clark had scored tries so awarded them.
In both cases Hicks was clear in his own mind and therefore had no need to go to video.
When he was unclear in his mind he went to video'"
This 100% it seems to me that people only have a go when they don't agree with the outcome of a decision. People moan when they go to the screen too often and then when the ref is in a great position to make still moan. The ref took some guts after what he has been through recently to make that call as it was easier to go to the screen. The result has gone we either have to back the refs or change the whole set up of the video ref!
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Slight correction here. Absolutely nothing wrong with a wall of obstruction provided those players get there before the attackers. As long as they don't deliberately move to block the run of the attacker it's fine. If they get there first and just stand there it's good defending. As it is when defenders run slowly towards the catcher, as long as they don't look where the attackers are and block them it's fine. Obviously, normal rules about obstruction then kick in when the player catches the ball, if he uses the shield to dodge the chasers or runs into them stopping a chaser tackling him then it would be a penalty.'"
After the kick has been made, players are deliberately moving to create an obstruction.... any move to impede/obstruct the path of a player is blatantly obstruction... it has to be.
You sometimes see the odd player doing it... but rehed moves with 3 players? I've not seen it done like that before.... cheating in my book.
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| Defenders have a legitimate right to challenge for the ball and get bodies back but it'sndefinitely got a bit cloudy. What should really happen is your attacking kicker spots the rehed defensive move and kicks shorter to attack the space that they aren't defending in numbers.
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| Quote ="CW8"Defenders have a legitimate right to challenge for the ball and get bodies back but it'sndefinitely got a bit cloudy. What should really happen is your attacking kicker spots the rehed defensive move and kicks shorter to attack the space that they aren't defending in numbers.'"
Yes, defenders have a right to challenge... but these players arent challenging.. they arent even jumping for the ball... They are creating an obstruction that shields the person receiving the ball.
It's impossible for an attacking kicker, to spot 3 players forming a wall of obstruction, AFTER the ball has been kicked?
I dont know why its bothered me so much really, as we won the game easy enough. It just reeks of pre-rehed obstruction.... Just shows they were playing a bit scared of us really i suppose... maybe if they had worried more about their own game, they wouldn't have been played off the park.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I posted a congratulations post on here and have been enjoying the sunshine since. I should take it as a compliment that you're complaining that I've not posted since Saturday I guess
As for the other allegations, can I just clarify that I've not sent anyone death threats. My tweet was a jokey reference to the PR spin they did midweek about his death threat from the Warrington fan, nothing more sinister than that. I thought putting the 'kindly worded' bit would make that clear but obviously through the cold anonymity of a tweet a few people didn't understand the reference as they haven't got the intelligence to or hadn't seen the piece on Hicks. Perhaps a winking emoji might have helped as well, but I guess I've learned my lesson. I've had several 60 year olds who shouldn't be allowed near the internet hounding me all weekend and one of them threatening to poison my dogs as she knows where I live and they bark too loudly and smell bizarrely enough (I don't have dogs).
My thoughs on the game haven't changed. You were brilliant and deserved to win. We were awful and thoroughly deserved to lose. Hicks panicked and blew his day in the sunshine and that should cost him the Grand Final gig. I think it's clear the standard of the officials is grating everyone and whilst everything is hilarious because you won on Saturday, if you lost the Grand Final to Saints or Wigan after Hicks didn't refer a clear Wire try upstairs you'd be exactly the same. Sam Tomkins not getting sent off is still mentioned bi-weekly at kids football training for example, as this one will be on the parks and fields of St Helens for the next 12 years until we reach another final.
Peace chaps, I'll be back to discuss our mental frailties as we get near the play offs. First got to see if we can become the first club to break a 120 odd year old record for league performance and still end the season with no trophies.'"
I'm not surprised that you've been too cowardly to post a reply to my post on another thread on this board.
You claimed we had deficiencies, were arrogant and embarrassing. Then you ask for how to get hold of Hicks so that can send a nicely worded death threat to him. Utterly classless and embarrassing to your club, players, and fellow supporters in defeat.
You cannot even have the decency to even apologise for your actions, nor congratulate Wire on their victory within the post above.
Have you been banned from Redvee, as it's very strange you've suddenly turned up on here wanting to be bezzies with us all of a sudden.
Your way lower than AS108 in my opinion, just take your whining over Saturday's result elsewhere.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"I'm not surprised that you've been too cowardly to post a reply to my post on another thread on this board.'"
Where is it? I've not seen it?
Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"You claimed we had deficiencies, were arrogant and embarrassing.'"
Please show me where I've been arrogant? Please. I'm anything but that. I get ripped to pieces by the Saints fans because I don't go round claiming we're amazing and am realistic about our chances. The only thing I posted is that we should win. And we should have done, we were clear favourites and have beaten you 3 times this season. You were brilliant and prevented that happening, but Saints should be capable of winning that game. But they weren't, such is sport. Nothing arrogant there though, most of your own fans were less confident of a Wire win than I was.
Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Then you ask for how to get hold of Hicks so that can send a nicely worded death threat to him. Utterly classless and embarrassing to your club, players, and fellow supporters in defeat.
You cannot even have the decency to even apologise for your actions, nor congratulate Wire on their victory within the post above.'"
I've got nothing to apologise for, other than maybe posting an edgy joke on Twitter. I wasn't sending a death threat to anyone, you're just not intelligent enough to get the reference. Or you've not seen the new story on him meeting your fellow Warrington fan who actually sent him a death threat?
You say I've not congratulated Wire on their victory? I posted a thread on here doing just that? I've said repeatedly you were brilliant? This was a thread about the referees, started by a Wire fan (Or someone claiming to be one).
Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Have you been banned from Redvee, as it's very strange you've suddenly turned up on here wanting to be bezzies with us all of a sudden. Your way lower than AS108 in my opinion, just take your whining over Saturday's result elsewhere.'"
Make your mind up You're calling me out for not replying, then calling me out for posting on here. I've not been banned from Redvee, I've not even been told off by Twitter, but the woman who threatened to poison the dogs I don't have has had her account suspended . But for you, if it makes you feel better, apologies for my joke on Twitter. Hand on heart, that's all it was.
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| Hope Warrington put a complaint in to the rfl over hicks we lost the pen count 4-2 with our 2 pens coming in 1st half ..walmsley shoulder charge lineham disallowed try nowt wrong with it king taking one round the chops blatent penalty and should of been a yellow...and saints are the ones moaning...
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| God roll on tomorrow and we can move on from the micro analysis of that flaming non-try.
With any luck whoever is reffing Saints Friday will have a dark sense of humour, dispatch a couple of them to the sinbin and do a conga down the pitch with the VR to celebrate a Cas win.
That should enable redvee to find something new to wring their hands over.
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| If the roles were reversed and we had that perfectly valid try not given and we went on to lose we would be up in arms calling it a RL conspiracy.
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| Quote ="Wires71"If the roles were reversed and we had that perfectly valid try not given and we went on to lose we would be up in arms calling it a RL conspiracy.'"
Thing is it weren't a try and we did have one chalked off for sumert Cunningham made an art of...
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| There's another thread been started on redvee about future finals refs and getting better training from nrl refs, its funny, however one poster on there has pointed something out that i thought i noticed on saturday.
After big ben scored, we got a 7 tackle set from the restart, we made about 65 metres up field from the start.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"There's another thread been started on redvee about future finals refs and getting better training from nrl refs, its mickey funny.'"
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| Perhaps the time is right to start trying 2 refs ,one for the defenders & one for the attackers. An ideal time would be in the playoffs when there won't be as many games to need officials. Maybe even have have an in goal judge at all games irrespective of tv cameras.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Where is it? I've not seen it?
=#0000FFOn this forum, "last nights Saints game".
Please show me where I've been arrogant? Please. I'm anything but that. I get ripped to pieces by the Saints fans because I don't go round claiming we're amazing and am realistic about our chances. The only thing I posted is that we should win. And we should have done, we were clear favourites and have beaten you 3 times this season. You were brilliant and prevented that happening, but Saints should be capable of winning that game. But they weren't, such is sport. Nothing arrogant there though, most of your own fans were less confident of a Wire win than I was.
=#0000FFWhere have I stated you've been arrogant?
I've got nothing to apologise for, other than maybe posting an edgy joke on Twitter. I wasn't sending a death threat to anyone, you're just not intelligent enough to get the reference. Or you've not seen the new story on him meeting your fellow Warrington fan who actually sent him a death threat?
=#0000FFYou question my intelligence, when your the one making idiotic posts that you want to send "a nicely worded death threat" to Chris Hicks.
You say I've not congratulated Wire on their victory? I posted a thread on here doing just that? I've said repeatedly you were brilliant? This was a thread about the referees, started by a Wire fan (Or someone claiming to be one).
=#0000FFI've not read one post from you that either congratulates us or says were brilliant, there's nothing from you on the well done wire thread, or this board, apologies for missing it, where is it?.
Make your mind up
You're calling me out for not replying, then calling me out for posting on here. I've not been banned from Redvee, I've not even been told off by Twitter, but the woman who threatened to poison the dogs I don't have has had her account suspended
. But for you, if it makes you feel better, apologies for my joke on Twitter. Hand on heart, that's all it was.'"
=#0000FFYour choice of "joke" made you look like a complete idiot at best, a view shared by many on Redvee. It also infers big time, that you thought Chris Hicks was biased towards Warrington, and that is how we won the challenge cup. It also encourages other s to made unjustified threats - like the alleged women wanting to harm your (imaginary) dogs. You may want to laugh it off as a joke, but I don't think you're in the slightest bit funny.
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