To win is one thing, but to win and gain the respect of the opposition fans is the real prize.

Unfortunately for Wigan they haven't been able to achieve the second part of the equation for many years. I think Leeds managed it last year and we achieved it when we won the League leaders shield - but Wigan.....sorry.... No.

Wigan doing the first tackle penalty give away game too.
Then doing the last tackle injury fake. Every sneaky legal cheat trick under the sun that they always get away with every week to eat minutes to win a game.

One way traffic at Catalan, HKR hell bent on just giving penalties away.

Take that back nice try for HKR.

Baron von Greenback said after they lost at home to Hull a few weeks ago that they're not a big powerful team or a team of flair, they're a team of details and they didn't get the details right and that's why they lost.

Their details are all the dark arts of the game. They're the worst team I've ever seen for it. Maybe only Jose Mourinho's Madrid and Chelsea (second time around) teams in association football are comparable. Every single little niggle or cheat they can do, they do it. And they do so much of it, only a certain percentage will ever get penalised or not penalised for the opposition.

Now Sam "look I'm being held down(when he's not)" Tomkins is back it'll only get worse. Their worst two players for it - Farrell and O'Lie-on - didn't even play the other night. So only expect it to get worse when those players come back.

Guess we will be happy for Wakefield to win this.

Whats happened to Wakefield, the wheels have well and truely fallen off so far.

Seen that fella in a HullFC top celebrating the HullKR tries?

WAkefield's defence is awful tonight. Very impressed by the young referee tonight, not afraid to make a decision.

Since half time against us Wakey have conceded an absolute bucket load of points.

Why is the ref in Cas' kit?

Probably because they need him after they start they've made against a weak Widnes team.

Hate myself for saying this but wouldnt be unhappy with a Widnes win.

Yeah, keeps Cas away from the top 4, I'm the same

I wasnt thinking of it like that. Was more it puts another nail in Leeds coffin.

Players spend 50% of the game with their arms in their air whinging at the officials these days. Does my head in

Leeds won't finish in the top eleven, never mind the top eight.

Lol like that, any ways think it's dead and buried now for sure.

Listening to Phil Clarkes comments at the end then think he wants Hull to win.

The only bright spot in a Widnes win and if Catalans can beat Saints....

Saints getting ripped apart in 2nd half, but Pat Richards as left his kicking boots at home.

Lol Wayne Bennet caught yawning on camera just then, sums this game up.

If Widnes can't beat this really weak Wigan side then they're in real trouble.

Now I know what it was like for a neutral to watch the Wire Hull game last week. Shocking from both sides, I bet Wigan can't believe their luck that they find themselves joint top as things stand.

Why the sudden plethora of dropped balls? Have they changed in the last few weeks? Or have we just fell unlucky as spectators for two shocking games....?

Wigan didnt win that game, it was Widnes that lost it!