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| lost cos didnt kick goals and you did ,well done good game lets all move on to next week please
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| Saints won because they had Eastmond and Wire didn't.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Saints won because they had Eastmond and Wire didn't.'"
Like he says. End of.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Saints won because they had Eastmond and Wire didn't.'"
I reckon that's spot on.
There wasn't much to separate the two teams other than that (although we were messier with the ball IMO).
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| I thought that both teams were distinctly average and neither team will worry Wigan, or Leeds (once they start the season !!) showing this form. James Graham was immense and Eastmond's goal kicking was excellent. They were the difference between the sides.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I said before the game that I thought Pryce and Eastmond would win Saints the game and it sounded that way.
I'd have loved to have seen Briers play in this game. That would have given everybody a real sense of where Wire are at.'"
If there's even an implication that Pryce had a hand in that Saints win last night, then said person should be shot.
He stunk the place out.
Eastmond literally, ran rings around him, and his sucker of a mouth.
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| Quote ="Milly"It's got to be psychological!
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I don't agree with that. Like I said yesterday before the game - winning last night would have meant far more to us fans than the coaching staff and the players. This 'never won at KR' obsession is very much a fan-based obsession. It's us fans who have the long memories, half the players out there weren't even playing RL back at the start of SL. The players would have treated it as just another league game against a side that are tough to beat at home, like Huddersfield.
Quote ="Fatbelly"There was three reasons we lost tonight.
Reason One. The superb kicking of Kyle Eastmond
Reason Two. No Lee Briers.
Reason Three. Richard Silverwood. Odemwingie says we won the penalty count , but Silverwood gave two vital decisions, one was when two Saints players collided for the high ball and he gave a penalty against us !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the other was when a Saints player knocked on right in front of his own line and Silverwood said it went back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We were 20 - 18 down and we had them on the ropes and I was Convinced we would go on and win the game and Silverwood came up with vital decisions which changed the game.'"
I completely agree with that. You've essentially just summed up what I came on here to post this morning.
I would combine points 1 & 2 - Eastmond's kicking gave them a much better positional advantage than ours did and we missed the in-game kicking that Briers offers, not to mention the goal kicking! Still though, even had we kicked all 4 goals we still would have lost. Which brings me to Silverwood.
I agree that those two (shocking) decisions changed the face of the game. Especially the knock-on that should have been at 20-18 down. That would have given us a scrum right on the try line and the talent and determination to score. Another instance was Gardner taking the ball over the dead ball line and instead of a drop out a re-start for Saints was given. Now I couldn't see the dead ball line, being only 5'3 and having some great big tall bloke stood in front of me, but from the crowd's reaction I wasn't the only one who thought he got it wrong. Anyone that cites the penalty count (Odemwingie) as a reason why Warrington weren't hard-done-to was obviously not at the game and is simply reading the statistics. The question isn't the amount of penalties but the timing and nature of those he did/didn't give. In fact if Saints had been penalised for every time their players were not square at marker the count would have been much higher in our favour.
Back to Briers - I don't think it's just his kicking we missed. I think we really could have done with his creative leadership out there. Too many times we were just driving the ball up the middle or trying that same move over and over again on King's wing. Saints will have planned to contain King and to keep trying down that wing after we'd already scored there twice was just flogging a dead horse. I appreciate he's on form at the moment but all we did was exactly what Saints expected us to do and for the most part they had no problem containing it. We needed Briers out there to create something a little different and shake our attack up a little. I don't think Myler has the experience or confidence to change an attack the way Briers does and to be honest I didn't even notice Monas on the pitch half the time. Whether he was mising Briers I don't know but it didn't stop us winning pretty convincingly over Bradford last week. We really need him back. I'm glad we've got over this 'can't win without Briers' mentality but I seriously think Myler needs some leadership and pressure taken off him.
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| The facts show that the difference was that Saints had a good goalkicker and Wire did not.
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"The facts show that the difference was that Saints had a good goalkicker and Wire did not.'"
We scored the same amount of tries yet Saints had 6 attempts at goal and kicked all of them. We had 4 attempts and kicked 1. Even had we kicked the extra 3 conversions we'd have still lost by 4 points. Saints won by 10.....
There's more to winning and losing a game than the goalkicking and the point of this forum is discussion.
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| Quote ="Irish Wire"The same Atkins who was a hero last week?'"
At which point did i menshion Atkins being poor, I said Roby was poor.
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| Quote ="Richie Mylers Parrot"At which point did i menshion Atkins being poor, I said Roby was poor.'"
roby wasnt poor he was total and has never been out else ,totaly over rated ,take the runs away and he is crap full stop
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| Quote ="the digger"roby wasnt poor he was total poop and has never been out else ,totaly over rated ,take the runs away and he is crap full stop'"
Couldn't of put it any better my self. I'd take Buderus, Monas and Lunt over him anyday. Overated.
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| Quote ="Richie Mylers Parrot"Roby? blimey didn't even know he was playing. MOS winner my booty.'"
Roby was one of the best players on the pitch last night. Open your eyes.
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| Quote ="Wire_85"Couldn't understand that one when the players took each other out.
Also thought one of there lot was due a stint in the bin'"
When the Saints players took each other out, the Warrington tackler came in & completed the tackle from an offside position. It was a fair call to be honest. Some of the others weren't but that one was.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"When it matters.'"
Very confident considering you haven't beaten us since 2001.
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| Some people on here make me laugh. They don't half look at games with a completely one sided approach. Some of you are complaining about the ref's decisions etc. We could say the same. i.e. The knock on some of you were on about actually did go backwards. The Gardner / Gidley penalty was because a wire player completed the tackle. etc. Overall Wire are a good side and vastly improved side from previous years. Get behind your team, it is a long way to go before the season's end. No doubt you will be there or there abouts when that time comes.
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| I thought all in all we were very marginally the better team, but our team doesn't contain an Eastmond, theirs does!
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| Roby was as good as Eastmond last night, When he came on he picked the holes in our defence with ease. He was head and shoulders better than Monas and Higham last night
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| monas and higham,were they actually on the pitch, better than roby what a laugh.
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| Quote ="the digger"roby wasnt poor he was total poop and has never been out else ,totaly over rated ,take the runs away and he is crap full stop'"
You must be on drugs or something for me he was the best hooker last night.
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