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| His knees were nowhere near,and as for it being an elbow I can’t see it in that clip. Like others have said I saw it as legitimate tackle at the time as the tackle was not completed,in the hands of the buffoons at RFL now.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Just seen the Austin incident on highlights on Twitter, from the angle it’s shown I’m not sure what he did wrong.'"
Tomkins suspected fractured skull.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Tomkins suspected fractured skull.'"
If that is true then Austin should serve as long as Tomkins is out.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"You must have watched a different version to me, because the one I've seen McGuire is playing on till Jack Hughes picks the loose ball up, then starts moaning at the ref.
There's bugger all in it, it was an accident.
And I'm Joel knows the difference between accidents and intentionally hurting an opposition player.'"
WTF were you watching McGuire goes mad as soon as Austin makes contact. There's a better view on twitter. The prick gets him with his knee. If reports are true about Tomkins injury Austin should be looking at months banned. It's no innocent flop. Rovers were clearly getting the better of the game and another attack had broke down Austin has got frustrated and reckless.
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| The version i have just watched looks like mild contact as ,expected in any game, with the ribs. Are we sure Joel didn't fracture his skull at some other point in the game ?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"When some one runs the ball in about twice and makes 1-2 twice then is replaced...albeit not his doing...I'd day that was disappointing.
Yes I did go but if you saw it differently I'm open to read your version of events rather than you just ridicule and say nothing. Why bother to post anything?'"
Tasi was replaced because he had a severe cut. Requiring 16-18 stitches.
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| Theres contact with the head, so I expect a a review and an over inflated ban due to the media, Sheens, faux outrage from fans etc. but that’s par for the course when someone gets injured.
For me it’s silly, a bit over aggressive and a sin bin is about right to manage the game.
The alarming thing from watching the reply is that Patton completely bottles it from either catching the pass or at minimum getting in the way of Tomkins. He steps to the side, I assume in self preservation. It’s poor.
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| I was in the S/E corner so couldn't tell but a play on the NN/W side had a clear view...'Austin flopped on him, leading with his elbow into the nape of the head to neck area'.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"WTF were you watching McGuire goes mad as soon as Austin makes contact. There's a better view on twitter. The prick gets him with his knee. If reports are true about Tomkins injury Austin should be looking at months banned. It's no innocent flop. Rovers were clearly getting the better of the game and another attack had broke down Austin has got frustrated and reckless.'"
The video on Sky Sports is clear enough to see Austins knees are no where near the tackle. Looked to me like Tomkins head hits the ground rather than any limb causing a possible fracture. Rugby players know they are at risk of these kinds of injuries but because of all the fuss coming from KR and the media unfortunately he will get a ban.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"If that is true then Austin should serve as long as Tomkins is out.'"
ye cuz thats how disciplinary works...
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| Yes, fuss and faux outrage from Hull KR. James Goulding and Andrew Heffernan have had to retire due to concussion. No bleating or moaning over those incidents i re call. Do excuse is if we point out one of your players made reckless contact with someone's head leaving them hospitalised with a possible skull fracture. Knee \elbow it doesn't matter at this point he clearly goes towards Tomkin 's head. Rashford comes in second over his legs which was more of a late flop so why did the ref send Austin to the sin bin. McGuire instantly is upset.
Austin is looking at a lengthy ban. Which is no use to Rovers.
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| Quote ="OSWire1993"ye cuz thats how disciplinary works...'"
I noz dat. Dats why I put shud.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie":1ncev2xiI was in the S/E corner so couldn't tell but a play on the NN/W side had a clear view...'Austin flopped on him, leading with his elbow into the nape of the head to neck area'.'" :1ncev2xi
What are you saying here ? What is ' a play on the NN/W side'. Do you mean there is footage of the game from the NW, if so, can you show the clip ?
Then the quotation that you made; [i:1ncev2xiAustin flopped on him, leading with his elbow into the nape of the head to neck area'.[/i Who made this, was it overheard from the linesman ?
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Yes, fuss and faux outrage from Hull KR. James Goulding and Andrew Heffernan have had to retire due to concussion. No bleating or moaning over those incidents i re call. Do excuse is if we point out one of your players made reckless contact with someone's head leaving them hospitalised with a possible skull fracture. Knee \elbow it doesn't matter at this point he clearly goes towards Tomkin 's head. Rashford comes in second over his legs which was more of a late flop so why did the ref send Austin to the sin bin. McGuire instantly is upset.
Austin is looking at a lengthy ban. Which is no use to Rovers.'"
Nobody wants to see a player injured and out of the game for any length of time, but it happens. I didn't see any contact to the head from where I was stood, and the footage is inconclusive.
Therefore, I'm not saying there was or wasn't, I honestly don't know. It will be dealt with on Tuesday, when there's hopefully footage from the North Stand side, together with the officials report to determine what case there is to answer. Until then (or for years into the future), we can all carry on arguing the toss from a different view point.
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| I hope the RFL look at this tackle and decide if there is contact with the head too.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"
The alarming thing from watching the reply is that Patton completely bottles it from either catching the pass or at minimum getting in the way of Tomkins. He steps to the side, I assume in self preservation. It’s poor.'"
I saw that but we cannot criticise young Declan at the moment.
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| Quote ="Burtons Forearm"Yes, fuss and faux outrage from Hull KR. James Goulding and Andrew Heffernan have had to retire due to concussion. No bleating or moaning over those incidents i re call. Do excuse is if we point out one of your players made reckless contact with someone's head leaving them hospitalised with a possible skull fracture. Knee \elbow it doesn't matter at this point he clearly goes towards Tomkin 's head. Rashford comes in second over his legs which was more of a late flop so why did the ref send Austin to the sin bin. McGuire instantly is upset.
Austin is looking at a lengthy ban. Which is no use to Rovers.'"
Adrian Morley was out for 12 weeks when Eamon O’Carroll ‘recklessly’ flew out of the line made contact with the head and fractured his cheekbone. EOC stayed on the field, didn’t get a penalty and he didn’t get a ban (and rightly so). Someone getting injured doesn’t mean someone should get a ban. It’s a collision sport, nature of the beast. Joel knows the rules of engagement, and if I remember correctly did a decent job on Yeaman a few years back, he’s no shrinking violet.
If we go down the route of ‘overly aggressive’ gets a penalty, we should just call it quits.
Finally, McGuire has been instantly upset since 2003, I wouldn’t rely on his judgment. Usually appeased with a shrill blow on a whistle. If Austin does get a ban then maybe KR don’t benefit directly, but you did have 10 minutes to make it pay, which you did make use of, scoring while we were down a man.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Nobody wants to see a player injured and out of the game for any length of time, but it happens. I didn't see any contact to the head from where I was stood, and the footage is inconclusive.
Therefore, I'm not saying there was or wasn't, I honestly don't know. It will be dealt with on Tuesday, when there's hopefully footage from the North Stand side, together with the officials report to determine what case there is to answer. Until then (or for years into the future), we can all carry on arguing the toss from a different view point.'"
It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.
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| I was sat in the North and saw the incident. Ratchford goes nowhere near with his knees, tackle was incomplete and Austin was legally allowed to tackle him. However, Austin then led with his right elbow tucked in and landed it on his head/back of neck area. I immediately thought if the ref has seen that he's gone and the only thing that saved him was the ref and linesman were running back up the field trying to catch up. If the RFL have the view that I had from the North then Austin is banned. I dont believe it was intentional or reckless but still will be a ban.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It looks very bad if you are looking at it impartially. Tomkins is already down and already tackled, no need at all for Austin's involvement. He clearly attacks the head and leaves him with very severe injuries.
I don't think anyone can argue with a 3-4 week ban for that. Nothing too dramatic, but not something we need in the game.'"
he wasn't tackled and how do u know that he attacks the head as any video footage is unclear atm...
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| Tomkins wasn't tackled, he was clearly going to carry on running after the initial tackle, and Austin completed the tackle
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| Agree with Lefty's earlier assessment of the game. Don't know who Moe is standing with but I was at the game and was not impressed with Tasi at all. Very underwhelming for somebody presumably wanting to make an impression to claim a starting shirt.
The Austin incident from where I was sitting in the north stand just looked like a heavy flop whilst completing a tackle.. Obviously don't wish injury on anybody but Tomkins is a grub and has always been there or thereabouts whenever there is any trouble. With Austin investigated for 2 incidents against Leeds ( no ideas what the second one was) he will inevitably get a ban. We don't need our star signing sat in the stand so he needs to shape up.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload":144mlxrcWhat are you saying here ? What is ' a play on the NN/W side'. Do you mean there is footage of the game from the NW, if so, can you show the clip ?
Then the quotation that you made; [i:144mlxrcAustin flopped on him, leading with his elbow into the nape of the head to neck area'.[/i:144mlxrc'"
Mobile phone auto correct 'mate ' not 'play'
Apologies.
Led with the elbow into the nape of the head with a flop.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Adrian Morley was out for 12 weeks when Eamon O’Carroll ‘recklessly’ flew out of the line made contact with the head and fractured his cheekbone. EOC stayed on the field, didn’t get a penalty and he didn’t get a ban (and rightly so). Someone getting injured doesn’t mean someone should get a ban. It’s a collision sport, nature of the beast. Joel knows the rules of engagement, and if I remember correctly did a decent job on Yeaman a few years back, he’s no shrinking violet.
If we go down the route of ‘overly aggressive’ gets a penalty, we should just call it quits.
Finally, McGuire has been instantly upset since 2003, I wouldn’t rely on his judgment. Usually appeased with a shrill blow on a whistle. If Austin does get a ban then maybe KR don’t benefit directly, but you did have 10 minutes to make it pay, which you did make use of, scoring while we were down a man.'"
Pretty sure Morley shot out of the line to put a hit on a young EOC and came off second best.
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