The problem with democracy is that most of its 'educated' advocates regard their democratic choices as superior to those with lesser education. So they decide which are acceptable democratic views and which aren't.

We live in a democratic society of which a substantial proportion have views that are racist, or at least against immigration. You can't advocate democracy on one hand then get upset when people are exercising their democratic views. All the BNP are doing is representing the views of the people who voted for them, those people had those views for many years before, they just didn't have representation.

I fully respect any person's freedom of speech....Just not sure why a few of you seem to be condoning a political party whose main aim seems to be bringing in some sort of apartheid??...



I totally agree that the seemingly unrestricted opening of the UK borders to vast sections of the EU is a bewildering one....However, don't be fooled, the BNP stands for something a lot more sinister than simply tightening up those borders.

This Thread is ridiculous.. I dont support the BNP and All its Reasoning But this appointment might make the rest of the parties stand up and realize.
People are getting Annoyed with the stream of people wating at calais to get in the country? Why dont they stay in france? Germany? anywhere else? . cos the UK is so sodding soft , we give them money and somewhere to live all this time us workers are paying for this. I dont care if people call me racist but this massive influx of asylum seekers needs to stop and quick

That is an excellent point but it does form one of the classical A Level Politics questions.

I often think SEB would like to vote on behalf of most of us, what with his superior intellect an all.

Honest question - have you read the BNP Manifesto or formed your opinion based on that of others?

Lefty's was

Economic Left/Right = -99.99999999
Social Authoritarian = -99.99999999

The Voting card should have a none of the above box to tick...
If that option was there i would have ticked that box...Instead i just didn't bother to vote...

And both my grand fathers fought in the war,they'd be disgusted if they could see the state of the country now...

I wouldn't wipe my ar$e with one of their manifestos....



To be honest, the fact they are led by a man who refuses to acknowledge the atrocities of the Holocaust, sort of forms my low opinion of him and his rabble...

It may lend more credibility to your argument if you read the manifesto though surely? I did, they are not for me, but I agree with a number of their policies.

The Holocaust issue is too complex for the likes of this board. There are many people who suggest the Holocaust repurcussions were used by political Jewish movements to justify Israel, and the atrocities committed therein. But as I said, not for this board. More to it than meets the eye though.

what was yours out of interest W71

Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"what was yours out of interest W71'" Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.

Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"what was yours out of interest W71'" Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Josephs) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, abolition of faith schools etc etc.'" i'd pay good money to sit in a pub across from you and slim and watch you chat all night. almost as good as Wire v Wigan

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Josephs) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, abolition of faith schools etc etc.'" i'd pay good money to sit in a pub across from you and slim and watch you chat all night. almost as good as Wire v Wigan

Yeah but Slim is naive

respect your elders young man

Manifestos, whether BNP or not, aren't worth the paper they are written on, and let's be serious, Griffin isn't going to write about his hatred for Non-Whites for all to see because that would simply expose him for the bigot he truly is.

I certainly don't begrudge Griffin his views however, just that unlike a few people on here, I can see past his 'political' front and instead focus on his racist thuggery.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" Most posters on here may have a greater understanding of your own views if you used language they understand. You could have simplified it as...... "Every man for himself"

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" Most posters on here may have a greater understanding of your own views if you used language they understand. You could have simplified it as...... "Every man for himself"

I hope the BNP can pressurise the government to kick the Ghurka's out of this country. Bunch of pensioners living off the welfare state.

Is there anybody stupid enough on here to fall for this one???...

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" see harry enfields tim nice but dim. gosh i really am the reincarnation of young william hague at the tory party conference years ago. any unfortunates out there take solace in the fact that wires 71 will use you as a shoe shine boy for no wages at all,nice.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" see harry enfields tim nice but dim. gosh i really am the reincarnation of young william hague at the tory party conference years ago. any unfortunates out there take solace in the fact that wires 71 will use you as a shoe shine boy for no wages at all,nice.

I don't think the BNP are advocating apartheid....apartheid was where a bunch of immigrants came to a country, took it over, and passed a set of laws to treat the natives as second class citizens.

mmm really? how do you come to that conclusion?

the bnp have a very thin, nearly transparent veneer covering hate and xenophobia.

anything else they tell you is rubish, naivity is believing that they have any other agenda.
i've been to bergen belson and witnessed the by product of nationalism.
it all starts with control of minorities and results in ethnic clensing.

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" we are so politically different it's staggering

Quote ="Wires71"Not done it in ages now, but basically aligned to Milton Friedman views (theory behind Thatcherism/Keith Joseph ideology) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman Power of the individual over the state, state serves the people not the other way around, true deterministic power for each individual and unfettered market force led economic policy as opposed to state controlled/influenced. So basically, low tax, low benefits, choice of health provider, choice of education provider, no nationalised industries (so anti Royal Mail), no subsidies to private organisations from the state (so anti bank bailouts), no unions, no minimum wage. Pro abortion, pro euthanasia, pro stem cell, secularist etc etc.'" we are so politically different it's staggering

A right, a freedom, ney, an honour that Nazi parties stand to abolish. The BNP, The National Front, 'Skinheads in Suits' if you like, represent Nazi values.



Yes, but if YOU have freedom of expression, surely so does everybody else? Therefore, if you are free to vote BNP, I am free to criticise? See how it works?


No, it's people like Nick Griffin my Grandfather lost friends in battle to keep us from. How very dare you insult his and their memory with a statement like that?!



Because, Warrington is a north west seat in Parliament. Nick Griffin holds a north west European Parliament seat. Very relevant, I feel, and much more worthy of sensible debate and discussion than a couple of scruffy brothers from Burnage IMO.

The problem lies that with rights, privellages, come responsibilities.
In this country, we have the privellage to be free to vote. We do, however, have a responsibilty of care to our fellow man and a responsibility to vote for the party we believe best suited to the election. The recent election was a Local Parliament election, the general consesus is that many people voted 'blind', not really looking at the parties' manifestos and policies.

The arguement that immigrants ruin Britian, IMO, is short sighted and ignorant - at very best!
Are we talking about the same britain here? The britain that had a global empire and ruled India for years? The britain who's greatest export is people? Australia and america being two examples where little trace of their heritage is left, instead a white, anglo species is dominant?
Britain, where hundreds of thousands of people leave everyyear for a new life in foreign countries? They are called expats, why not immigrants? That's what they are.
This country was built by immigrants - the romans built our roads and our towns, the vikings, french and germans gave us our expansive linguistic options. How far back do we go before we are british? The irish navis that aided the industrial revolution, they were immigrants. The ghurkas were, too. As was the cheap, but industrious labour that came to britain in th 60s when we needed.

Very much ruining the country indeed.

Amongst other things, the BNP's main beliefs include:
To be 'British', you cannot be non-white, regardless of how long many generations of your family have been British; you cannot be any religion other than Christian; you cannot be homosexual.
These are just a few examples. If this still doesn't phase you, how about the fact that they oppose WWII on the grounds that we fought with our own race - they actually praise Hitler!
Furthermore, the party is made up of ignorant, sexist bigots, several of whom are convicted rapists. They promote sexism to the extent of the private sphere, ie husbands/fathers the head of the household and women as inferior yet this is one of the traits of Islam that the BNP claim to oppose!

A girl I know who studies politics at Man Met summed up the BNP as "a racist, fascist, anti semetic, homophobic, islamophobic, sexist, nazi party proud of their holocaust denial".

I don't see the problem, either.

well said

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.4


What i thought, I Liberal-centrist (it says so on my facebook).
Is Socialism and the left that took the hammering across europe... Shame. That's what's needed, but the hard right succeeds in hard times.