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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Why on earth would Miguel Maguire come over here and coach this shambles?
More chance of getting Harry Maguire.'"
Like most Aussie coaches do, come over to build their credibility and use it to get an NRL job. Realistically, after leaving Wests the next club coming for him isn’t going to be a top 8 club in the NRL, so unlikely to win anything.
If he came here (whether we’re a shambles or not right now) there is a realistic chance that he could turn a 10th placed team into a 4th placed team in 12 months, and a less realistic but optimistic chance that he could win something in 2 years. Then, when NRL clubs come looking, he’s got a bit more credit in the bank.
It’s a reasonable option, but ruled out at the start given that the club are committed to Powell.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Like most Aussie coaches do, come over to build their credibility and use it to get an NRL job. Realistically, after leaving Wests the next club coming for him isn’t going to be a top 8 club in the NRL, so unlikely to win anything.
If he came here (whether we’re a shambles or not right now) there is a realistic chance that he could turn a 10th placed team into a 4th placed team in 12 months, and a less realistic but optimistic chance that he could win something in 2 years. Then, when NRL clubs come looking, he’s got a bit more credit in the bank.
It’s a reasonable option, but ruled out at the start given that the club are committed to Powell.'"
He’d get an NRL gig tomorrow. He didn’t do a bad job at Wests and won the title with Rabbitohs.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"He’d get an NRL gig tomorrow. He didn’t do a bad job at Wests and won the title with Rabbitohs.'"
Wests are bottom and have lost 6 in a row. Think they have won 1 on their last 10 games. The teams that would take him on are the Titans, Knights, Bulldogs and maybe the Warriors. The rest probably wouldn’t take a chance on him right now.
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| =#FF0000Mods hat on folks, can we try and keep all powell posts in the powell out thread, rather than letting them bleed over into every topic.
i'm all for a thread drift but if we can keep it in one place, that'd be grand.
Anything off topic on these threads now will be moved, probably deleted.
Lets all help keep the forum tidy.
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| Can we have an Apples Are Not The Only Fruit thread?
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| Quote ="Douglas Black"Can we have an Apples Are Not The Only Fruit thread?'"
Get out, *points* go and stand in the hallway if you're going to act like that.
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| Seems a long time since we called him Powelly.
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| Quote ="Douglas Black"Seems a long time since we called him Powelly.'"
Apowelly is not the only coach
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| In the last days of Smith we finished up in a play off situation to stay in SL & luckily 4 of the teams were Championship clubs.
We are back in a play off situation now to stay in the top flight , with some bigger teams to play away & also fellow candidates for the drop who will be just as desperate to survive. There will be no easy games so urgency is needed asap before the situation at the Wire gets completely out of the club's hands.
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| I want all threads to be Powell out based until he goes
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Wests are bottom and have lost 6 in a row. Think they have won 1 on their last 10 games. The teams that would take him on are the Titans, Knights, Bulldogs and maybe the Warriors. The rest probably wouldn’t take a chance on him right now.'"
He left 6 weeks ago. You can’t be blaming him for the games he weren’t there.
The 4 teams you’ve mentioned are far more lucrative than Warrington.
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| Quote ="Wiremansam"I want all threads to be Powell out based until he goes'"
I'm surprised the sound of jerking knees isn't deafening right now around the town....
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"He left 6 weeks ago. You can’t be blaming him for the games he weren’t there.
The 4 teams you’ve mentioned are far more lucrative than Warrington.'"
Good point, the 6 weeks prior to his departure he picked up a win 3 round before sacking, the third win from 13 games.
I accept that they are lucrative, but are those 4 clubs going to give him the trajectory to get another NRL title, or would he be better to come to the (easier, as Aussies see it, rightly in my opinion), gather some momentum and wait for the right NRL job while being paid handsomely and competing for trophies.
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| Quote ="KineticRR"No you are incorrect... 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013 and 2012, that's 10 seasons. So 2 Challenge Cups in 2012 and 2019, and a League Leaders Shield is still a trophy and a difficult task to achieve.
Are we supposed to expect every Grand Final to be easy? The point of it being the Grand Final is that it's the 2 best teams, so we aren't always going to win.
We have won 40% of our Finals appearances which is competitive. And we have won 6 trophies since Smith came in. We didn't even win one in the Super League era before that. Averaging a trophy roughly every 2 seasons since Smith. That's definitely not underachieving.'"
I said last 10 seasons, that includes this one where we win nowt. We have won 0% of 4 grand finals. We have won 0% of the last 3 playoff games. Of course we have under achieved and I suspect most on here will agree that we have. But we can disagree
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| I started this thread during the home game against Leeds. My post was a knee-jerk reaction to a truly awful display. I've watched with interest the subsequent posts and I'm closing it with a number of final observations.
1. In pre-season it was obvious to all that we needed prop forwards. Instead we released Chris Hill. Maybe he had the mother of all offers to join the Giants. I have no idea, but I do know that I would have negotiated very strongly to keep him.
2. We do have some promising youngsters coming through the Academy. I think they would need encouragement from the coaches and fellow players. I find it totally reprehensible that Daryl Powell would choose to publicly denounce Riley Dean, not once but twice. We have plenty of "senior" players more deserving of a dressing-down.
3. Mike Cooper - what a player he has been for us. I have no idea whether he was a "bad apple". It's been suggested that he was more interested in his clothing business. Again I have no idea, but you'd need to sell a lot of hats to compensate for his salary as a rugby league player.
4. Defence. I recognise that Daryl Powell has a reputation for favouring attacking teams but the total collapse of our defensive capabilities under Steve Price takes some understanding.
5. Attack. The kicking game has been dreadful - I don't think that's too strong. It wasn't that good last year under Lee Briers but he would seem to be doing okay listening to the Wigan fans.
6. This thread shows that Daryl Powell has some supporters. I don't understand this myself based on this season's performances.Nor do I share the view that next season promises better - why would it as most of the players available will be the self-same that have proven to be so disappointing this year?
7. I was six or seven what I first went to Wilderspool. It was 1964 or 1965. So I've some pretty awful displays in the interim. Memory fades but I well remember the 0 - 50 defeat to Salford. In more recent times, I don't recall ever seeing a team put out by Tony Smith or Steve Price that simply gave up. I saw that under Paul Cullen (Castleford away and home) and this year too.
Here's to next season............
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| Quote ="Ken Parr's Back Pass"
Here's to next season............'"
In the championship.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Quote ="Ken Parr's Back Pass"
Here's to next season............'"
In the championship.'"
Will season tickets be cheaper in the Championship ?
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| Interesting quote from Pep Guardiola today : ‘Having good vibes in the locker room is more important than tactics’…..
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| Quote ="49er"Interesting quote from Pep Guardiola today : ‘Having good vibes in the locker room is more important than tactics’…..'"
Absolutely. I remember Lefty comparing the misfiring Wire team of early season to Man Utd, in that we had expensively assembled "stars" who seemed to have downed tools.
I heartily agreed at the time, and the challenge for Powell and Ten Hag is the same - unify the dressing room, get the smiles back on players faces and help them [ienjoy[/i themselves again.
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| He has to go.....I don't want to wait until we're in the championship before his brilliant coaching starts to show itself.
Please tell me why/how things are going to get better.
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| Wasting your breath wanting him go as the board have said he’ll be backed until next season but give me Pricey back anyday as this man has ruined what was a consistently top 4 team.
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| Ive tried to not comment recently.. as i am still (just about) a believer in 'the project '. However, its hard to keep it up when were turning in cack like that......really dont know where we go from here......
Seems a mentality issue l, throwing 14 point leads away in 2 games...we should of kicked on and been out of sight. No idea whats going on...
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| Quote ="runningman29"Wasting your breath wanting him go as the board have said he’ll be backed until next season but give me Pricey back anyday as this man has ruined what was a consistently top 4 team.'"
I don't want to be a top 4 team, I want to win Grand Finals. Something radical had to happen. It is awful at present, but I think we have to hold our nerve a little longer.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Wasting your breath wanting him go as the board have said he’ll be backed until next season but give me Pricey back anyday as this man has ruined what was a consistently top 4 team.'"
Anything but Price again. I'd rather we brought in Shearings, Mayne or Playbus as coaches.
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