The fact of the matter is that it’s Warrington RLFC who have politicised themselves and lost credibility in this poorly judged fawning over this despicable individual.


Therefore they have invited whatever criticism comes their way because of their own actions.
Warrington RLFC should apologise to the decent members of their support base , and RL supporters in general

Politicised? We had a Labour member of the House of Lords as Chairman for years. I think we've had Alistair Campbell down at matches too - some childish people would say he aided and abetted a war criminal.

Grow up. They don't need to apologise for anything.

If you're that outraged about politicians and their morals & behaviour, then go and ask our local Labour MP about having to be taken off a flight to Gibraltar in a wheelchair, (while on public duty) because her and her politician friends had their snouts in the freebies trough.

That's all ridiculously hyperbolic . . .

But what if Johnson's warm welcome ultimately leads to him giving the green light for a new hospital in Warrington? Should the club still apologize then? Life isn't black and white.

he classes a new staff member as a new hospital.

I gather you're unaware there's a campaign to build a new hospital in Warrington?

welcome to the long queue.

Yes Doug Hoyle was on the board but in a non political sense as a supporter and in honour of his many years service to the town, just as Andy Carter might one day be if he does 4/5 terms.


And also when Warrington RLFC go to Big finals they always invite the local dignitaries mayor, council leader etc regardless, or are you saying that to is political?
Additionally these people are all fundamentally decent, whereas Boris Johnson is a lying scoundrel

Well at least try and keep it civil



Nice deflection regards the poor judgement of Warrington RLFC in dishonouring the shirt and club in their association with Boris Johnson, but if I remember correctly the Warrington North MP explained the circumstances as unexpected reaction to medication she had been prescribed, but did apologise in any case

Are you equating the two situations?
But if your so outraged about the incident you could always start a thread in the sin bin :

Whataboutary Jack


Warrington should have had a new hospital years ago but for Tory cuts to the NHS and local government.

Again the facts are you can choose between moral/lmmoral, ethical/unethical, decent/indecent, truthful/serial liar . We know which side of the line Boris Johnson sits, and where Warrington RLFC have allied themselves. Which side of the line do you sit Jack as a matter of interest?

I'll take that as a politicians way of saying no.

Welcome to the forum, Charlotte...

It's not whataboutery, the whole reason for Johnson's visit was hospital-related. Our Conservative MP, who accompanied him, is lobbying for a new hospital. Him getting a positive impression of the town makes it more likely for that to happen, regardless of the fact a new hospital for us is well overdue.

As I said, things are never that black or white but I mentioned in my first post in this thread where my vote went. But I think that is irrelevant here. We live in a democracy and this country, and this town, gave him more votes than anyone else.

I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for.

Well they didn't vote for him.

So you need to do some maths.

Is he? It’s a shame Mr Carter lobbied against giving free school meals to starving kids.

friendly guy lol.

Sadly more people voted for Conservative in the town than Labour. Not sure what maths I need to do?

He is, yeah, and hopefully he's successful in doing so but probably won't be.

And you're right, it is a shame. One of the reasons I don't like him and thankfully he's not my MP.

Quote ="Jack Napier"Sadly more people voted for Conservative in the town than Labour. Not sure what maths I need to do?'" Indeed. 2019 Election Results. Warrington South - Conservative: 28,187, Labour: 26,177 Warrington North - Conservative: 19,102, Labour: 20,611 Warrington Total - Conservative: 47,289 Labour: 46,788 Maybe this was the mathematics Sadfish was enquiring about. [size=85source : https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... ection/397, https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... 9/overview[/size

Quote ="Jack Napier"Sadly more people voted for Conservative in the town than Labour. Not sure what maths I need to do?'" Indeed. 2019 Election Results. Warrington South - Conservative: 28,187, Labour: 26,177 Warrington North - Conservative: 19,102, Labour: 20,611 Warrington Total - Conservative: 47,289 Labour: 46,788 Maybe this was the mathematics Sadfish was enquiring about. [size=85source : https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... ection/397, https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... 9/overview[/size

Quote ="Wires71"Indeed. 2019 Election Results. Warrington South - Conservative: 28,187, Labour: 26,177 Warrington North - Conservative: 19,102, Labour: 20,611 Warrington Total - Conservative: 47,289 Labour: 46,788 Maybe this was the mathematics Sadfish was enquiring about. [size=85source : https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... ection/397, https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... 9/overview[/size'" Thanks for your message but ........ Warrington South For Johnson 28,187 Against Johnson 33,712 Warrington North For Johnson 19,102 Against Johnson 27,565 Pretty simple.

Quote ="Wires71"Indeed. 2019 Election Results. Warrington South - Conservative: 28,187, Labour: 26,177 Warrington North - Conservative: 19,102, Labour: 20,611 Warrington Total - Conservative: 47,289 Labour: 46,788 Maybe this was the mathematics Sadfish was enquiring about. [size=85source : https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... ection/397, https://members.parliament.uk/constitue ... 9/overview[/size'" Thanks for your message but ........ Warrington South For Johnson 28,187 Against Johnson 33,712 Warrington North For Johnson 19,102 Against Johnson 27,565 Pretty simple.

This thread is far too political. It was just a publicity stunt. There aren’t many chances to advertise a Rugby League club by giving a shirt to a World Leader. The nearest we got previously was Nancy Pelosi.

FWIW I believe neither Pelosi or Johnson or any cronies were in the away end at Saints so we can rest assured no one will be accusing us of ‘selling out’ our principles in the future. And even if they did become Barmy Army regulars it would at least open more opportunities for wealthy investment, ready for when the salary cap goes.

I believe we are also Putin’s RL club of choice, he just doesn’t like the colours.

Ah, you brought out the technicality. How clever of you.

The point remains either way you look at it, the Conservatives were the most popular party in the town. And Johnson was voted in thanks to our flawed FPTP system.

My point is, due to those facts, I find it hard to be outraged at the club, even though I don't like it personally.

The crux of the matter remains that Warrington RLFC gave a political platform to a divisive, unprincipled, serial liar and no amount of your whataboutary changes that.


You talk about democracy, but this guy has redefined “do as I say not as I do” semi- authoritarianism as democracy, a decent guy would have resigned by now, but the likes of Andy Carter reject the opportunity to remove him from the office he disgraces.
To suggest that it should be acceptable to the Warrington public along the last national election voting lines is pathetic and desperate.
Quite clearly the big majority of the Warrington voters , including many decent conservative voters, will be appalled with Warrington RLFC in supporting this shoddy attempt at vote garnering for Andy Carter in the Warrington RLFC fan base


Indeed local democracy totally rejects the guy and what he stands for.
But at least Johnson will be pleased he can rely on you.
Warrington RLFC should hang their heads in shame

No you said "I just find it hard to be angry at the club for a photo op with the man the town voted for."

Which is not true as more people didn't vote for his party than did in the town.

My point is correct, it is not a technicality.

And i think we'll leave it there, sin bin is that way *points* the warrington guardian facebook page is that way *points*