the fact that we have signed ANY player from Widnes tells you all you need to know about where we are at the moment as a club.

He was a Wire first.

Really? Because it looked like we had them rattled after our second score but managed to take our foot off the proverbial throat.

Patton nowhere near good enough and wasn't good enough last season. Far too ponderous in leg and head. Makes me chuckle how we used to berate the likes of rocky turner and even he would knock this lot into a cocked hat....and thats not nostalgia talking. Woeful basic skills on show

Game too far tonight after recently jamming it. Could have been different had we got the first try (or any try) in 2nd half! After weeks of shuffling, it's going to be same again for next couple weeks so anything in next couple games will be a plus.

Last twenty minutes of the first half we gradually got on top, not coincidentally because we got a reasonable share of posession. Started the second half brilliantly with Philbin's break. If we had scored then I think it would have been a different game. What followed was Sneyd's excellent kicking game depriving us of posession again for, more-or-less, the last 30 minutes.

Patton attacks the line and takes the ball closer to the line before shifting it , more than ant other player in the team.

A half back need runners, forwards steaming in on an angle. Instead he has Cooper and Jack Hughes wondering round doing sod all.

I only managed to see the 2nd half but Hull were on the front foot for most of the half & deserved the win. As mentioned previously,Sneyd kicked us to death ,Kelly did the string pulling & Hull's orchestrated attack did the rest assisted, in no small part by supporting the ball carrier. I don't think the pass for the interception could have been more telegraphed by western union though. I thought Cooper was running better & making more yards when we got the ball & Hill & Philbin went well.

Right lads I've just read the forum & my team for this week is......

[i"Hey Richie.. put that squash racket down and come over here... ok, whats the word on the forum about the Hull game"

"<scratches head nervously>.. erm well they are saying Brown isnt fit to wear the shirt, Evans is clueless, Sims is a second rower, Patton is complete rubbish, dwyer needs to move on, Hughes is second rate"

"anything else"

"erm..... well they just say were totally rubbish"

"anything ELSE????""

"yea, SMITH OUT"

"RIGHT..... write all those names down, they're all starting on Friday... now pick that squash racket up and lets get down the Jubilee centre... first to 7 wins"[/i

Happy now flying biscuit?
Call me a happy clapper or whatever insult you want to sling at people who have a different opinion to your own, I am sick and tired of key board warriors who seem to be trying to outdo each other with their unhappiness. Tell us all please, if you feel so upset at what is happening what are you really doing about it, rather than writing on this website? Have you actually made your feelings known directly to the club, written a letter, set up a meeting with someone with responsibility ith the club? Have you offered any positive solutions to the problems you believe exist? If so, please share your feedback, we would all be interested. I am disappointed with the teams performance and have been for some time, however, having been in business for many years I know that things don't always go the way you want, especially when your principal asset are people. I know this won't change the persistent doubters but if you really feel as strongly as you do, show how brave you are, contact the club directly and ask for a meeting to discuss your concerns. They may or may not accept, but at least you are trying to do something positive.

With respect, is it no longer acceptable to criticise our rugby team on the leading independent RL forum without first taking best endeavours to contact the club with suggested remedy first? If you do not like dissent or anything contrary to the view that all is peaches, then perhaps you can try the Warrington Wolves facebook page. If it's certain posters you do not like you can block them so you never see their posts ever again.

As for positive action to register discontent, not going to the game and watching on TV seems to be the way forward.

Oh come on, there are approx 70 pages which must be hundreds of posts whinging about Smith,the team etc. By all means have your view but if you are not prepared to do something Positive about it, it just comes across as moaning for moaning sake. There appears to be a race to the bottom now on criticism.If you feel so strongly as you and others do, get together and set up a meeting with the club. I am sure they would listen to you. Who knows you may also learn something...you not going to a match will not even register. Try something positive, it could be enlightening.

I suppose the frustrating thing is to reflect upon this post from the Broncos match, and try to understand how/why things are now so different, just a few weeks on from that great night:

"Re: Tonight's game v Broncos
Bit late - but congratulations on a fantastic win; a tactical masterclass from Tony Smith, and outstanding execution from your lads. Clearly the strategy of pinning the Broncos in their own half and stifling their reliance on a very structured exit set paid off - and Wire's willingness to a) bash them in the forwards and b) play a very expansive, open game - did, as Thaiday put it, rattle their cages. Lovely stuff - one of the most entertaining games I've watched in a long while.

Brown obviously had a blinder, but for me, Gidley gave one of the best individual performances of the weekend - he's pure class."

Have a word with yourself

I do have word with myself regularly to remind myself that moaning does not change anything so take positive action. You obviously believe different. So be it, it's your life. Happy clapper.

I'm not sure what the forum equivalent is of "shouting someone down", but it does seem that any opinion which doesn't match yours is met with that type of response.
The phrase "happy clapper" is clearly meant in a perjorative way, however it appears to refer to anyone who doesn't hold the same, totally negative view as you. I appreciate why people may want rid of TS immediately, I happen to disagree. I can see why the teams performances have been viewed as disappointing and I largel agree with that, however I do think the first half against Hull held promise of better performances to come, that is my opinion and if that makes me a "happy clapper" then so be it.
I appreciate I am only repeating what I have put on another thread but according to one poster as it wasn't on this thread it had no validity...not sure why I felt the need to pander to such a view, but there we are.

Reading that was like reading the old Sparkomatic vs Bick arguments on the old official forum with you playing Sparkomatic and Biscuit playing, well, Bick as he would. Great entertainment.

Regrettably I never made it onto the official forum, but I'm liking the sound of Sparkomatic (presume he was named after a Serbian footballer).

See this is getting a bit odd
....I never said your point had no validity on the other thread ....not at all. ..why lie.

I was curious as to why you ignored a six page thread entitled happy clapper but when I pick up on that phrase I'm apparantly insulting people.
then when I direct you to the thread you manage to mention you had to "pander" to my view and get all pompous.

You made ridiculous generalisations that non happy clappers dislike "everything" about the club. .....Seriously you actually said that. ...


And now Chester Wire is getting on the case as well...

Happy Clapper, the term could fit in nicely on the top of a government related application form. It would look good tucked in among the gender,race & religion related descriptive categories.

Lie? Lie? Have you lost the plot?
Where did I make the generalisation that you refer to? Read what I said again! Happy clappers/non happy clappers it's nonsense. How about a bit of respect for alternate views. That is what I had hoped would be the message of my various posts on the subject, clearly I failed in getting that across. So how about this " just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them a bad person". Is that clear enough?

Ps there are so many threads with the same doom and gloom message it didn't seem to be particularly important which one I posted on.

Agreed Capt!

and I agree too.

It would be a lot simpler if we debated what we think of the current state of affairs, good and bad, the reasons why and possible solutions on one thread. I understand that given the way we are playing a simple match thread can veer towards a moan about players and coaches etc but really one such thread is enough?

Please direct all your angst or irrational positivity to one place