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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"
Fact is, Saints worst performances or defeats (Leeds away.and Catalan at home) have coincided with Barba being out or nullified as much as poss. '"
Fact is, Barba scored 2 against Leeds so he was hardly nullified. You don’t mention the Hull FC game, we won easily and Barba was out.
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| Quote ="AS108"What on Earth are you on about, we’ve played every team in SL? You say ‘let’s reflect stats after rnd 23’ because you hope that Saints lose to Wire and Wigan (we’ll definitely beat Warrington) and it knocks us down. We’ve both played 15 games, stats are a fair reflection, you just don’t want them to be because they don’t suit.'"
If you're that thick explaining will make little difference.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I think you are completely mis-reading that. I was one of those who ranted about the refeereeing in the game, but none of that was anything to do with Warrington really. I was looking forward to a good game of rugby, enjoyed the first half hour and fully expected them to tire and Wire to win by 20 ish second half. Then for me the ref had a major paddy and destroyed one of the two teams. Toronto didn't react well to that by any means, but they were justified in feeling hard done to initially. The red in particular was the softest card I've ever seen. If that happened to a Wire player in a big game, you wouldn't be happy, it was nothing. Up to the incident under the sticks it was a niggly encounter and Warrington were as bad as Toronto with the hair pulling on Kaye and Simms and the constant sledging. Thaler then just gave everything against Toronto as if it had been all them. Like when a ref in juniors gets annoyed with a team and refs them and coaches the other team.
Warrington are on a good run and I said at the start of the season on here that you'd be in the top 4 and challenging. But some of your fans are the emotional types who wanted Price out after 5 games, but who are now suggesting the treble is a formality. We've been here before, same as most seasons since Moran arrived. Warrington fans do get very arrogant and smug when you sniff a chance of glory, perhaps understandable and similar to Cas last year. I've heard some pearlers this week on here and Twitter. Saints being so bad that Barba is the only reason we're top 8, SL is already over, you'll go the rest of the season unbeaten and a Wigan/Warrington final an inevitability. It's all good though, makes SL a more exciting competition.'"
Fans of a club playing an improving style of rugby and on a winning run after a dreadful previous season are happy, how very strange. Smug! Don't be foolish that's the nature of sport. Nobody (except the duck) is saying what you are accusing us of, and quite frankly that doesn't count.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"If you're that thick explaining will make little difference.'"
Please do explain, because you’re talking rubbish as usual. If you can’t see the value in stats when both teams have played 15 games in all comps then it’s you who’s thick.
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| Is you beating us more/less/same definite as you beating Wakefield earlier on this season?
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Is you beating us more/less/same definite as you beating Wakefield earlier on this season?'"
As definite as us beating you at the start of the season was.
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| Quote ="AS108"Please do explain, because you’re talking rubbish as usual. If you can’t see the value in stats when both teams have played 15 games in all comps then it’s you who’s thick.'" The shorter the span, the less accurate the stat...plus identical comparison are required to measure change.
2 very define reasons.
That's it.
Like it or lump it.
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| If it's a Saints "gimme". Why do you have a Widnes win?
Quote ="rubber duckie":1imt6qz6Sorry W71
I think they are but I'm not using stats to argue against my eyes. They've played nobody since early season but a busted Cas in the cup. Stats aren't a fair reflection until the season is balanced and all the results are there for comparison.
I've said it several times...Saints run in to rnd 23 is tough. Let's reflect stats after rnd 23. Even then it's not completely balanced because =#FF0000:1imt6qz6Saints have a Magic gimme:1imt6qz6.'" a) Crowd (St James Park Capacity 52,405): 66750 (42000+24750)
b) Score and Winning team: Wigan 18 v 21 Warrington
c) First try (Wire player):Atkins
d) Time of first try: 20min
e) Last try (any team, player not time):Bateman
f) Kicks over the sticks (combined):8
g) Widnes v St Helens h)2
Castleford v Leeds a)2
Salford v Catalans a)2
Wakefield v Huddersfield h)2
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| Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"If it's a Saints "gimme". Why do you have a Widnes win?
Yes.
I can't bring myself to bet Saints this weekend.
That's reason enough.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"
it's no wonder you never win anything. The bookies must love you.
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| Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"
Where there's money involved, I don't bet with my heart. They'll be money to be made betting against Saints next month.
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| Quote ="AS108"As definite as us beating you at the start of the season was.'"
Care to tell us what your prediction was for that Wakefield match?
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Care to tell us what your prediction was for that Wakefield match?'"
I think I put Wakefield h)2.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I think I put Wakefield h)2.'"
Sorry Duck I was asking the Oracle (AS...).
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Sorry Duck I was asking the Oracle (AS...).'"
No apologies required and thanks CH.
I did predict a loss where does AJ stats case against me leave him now?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"The shorter the span, the less accurate the stat...plus identical comparison are required to measure change.
2 very define reasons.
That's it.
Like it or lump it.'"
We’re both 15 games in and 14 of those in the league, it’s hardly a couple of games. The stats are a more than fair reflection of how teams have performed so far this season, which is why Saints are 1st and 2nd on most. As for the second point I’ve no clue what you’re on about, we’ve both played every team once and both played Huddersfield twice. As I’ve said, the stats accurately represent how every team has performed, you just don’t want them to because they don’t favour Warrington.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Care to tell us what your prediction was for that Wakefield match?'"
I actually wasn’t confident on us winning that game, I didn’t make a prediction but I was unsure. However, completely irrelevant seen as I’m saying we’ll definitely beat Warrington (not Wakefield).
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| Quote ="AS108"I actually wasn’t confident on us winning that game, I didn’t make a prediction but I was unsure. However, completely irrelevant seen as I’m saying we’ll definitely beat Warrington (not Wakefield).'"
Get a life
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| Quote ="primroseandblue"Get a life'"
Clearly he has misspelled his username, should be a double s
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| Quote ="AS108"We’re both 15 games in and 14 of those in the league, it’s hardly a couple of games. The stats are a more than fair reflection of how teams have performed so far this season, which is why Saints are 1st and 2nd on most. As for the second point I’ve no clue what you’re on about, we’ve both played every team once and both played Huddersfield twice. As I’ve said, the stats accurately represent how every team has performed, you just don’t want them to because they don’t favour Warrington.'"
No its not. You at least need balance to have some fare reading from stats. This cannot be possibly achieved without every team playing 11 HOME AND 11 AWAY, as there is always a small advantage playing a home fixture, even then the stat isn't right because of Magic....
Then there are variables like game 1 and 2 Wire loose at home to Saints and Leeds because the new boss had and agenda of fixing the defence first and attack with just 5 drives and a kick. But these games are included in your 15, this affects the stats so they favour Saints over Wire.
So stick your round 15 stats up your aspidistra
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"No its not. You at least need balance to have some fare reading from stats. This cannot be possibly achieved without every team playing 11 HOME AND 11 AWAY, as there is always a small advantage playing a home fixture, even then the stat isn't right because of Magic....
Then there are variables like game 1 and 2 Wire loose at home to Saints and Leeds because the new boss had and agenda of fixing the defence first and attack with just 5 drives and a kick. But these games are included in your 15, this affects the stats so they favour Saints over Wire.
So stick your round 15 stats up your aspidistra'"
Even for you this is a whole new level of rubbish. The whole post is nonsense but the part in bold is the worst and completely backs up my point that you don’t like the stats because they don’t favour Warrington. What on earth does Warringtons transitional period have to do with anything, you’ve basically said that Warrington lost so those games don’t count. Doesn’t matter what Prices agenda at the time was, you lost. And how hard is it to get into your head that 15 games is more than a big enough sample to collate accurate stats. None of this is a surprise seen as it’s coming from the same person who think that every game at the Magic will be decided by a 2 point margin.
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| Quote ="AS108"Even for you this is a whole new level of rubbish. The whole post is nonsense but the part in bold is the worst and completely backs up my point that you don’t like the stats because they don’t favour Warrington. What on earth does Warringtons transitional period have to do with anything, you’ve basically said that Warrington lost so those games don’t count. Doesn’t matter what Prices agenda at the time was, you lost. And how hard is it to get into your head that 15 games is more than a big enough sample to collate accurate stats. None of this is a surprise seen as it’s coming from the same person who think that every game at the Magic will be decided by a 2 point margin.'"
OK. You are thick, you'd have got a better stat after rnd1. I cannot believe you didn't use that.
. I did say you wouldn't understand before wasted my time....I guess I am the bigger fool.
.I so wish we were playing one trick Saints now instead of our arch rivals Wigan, who are consistently the toughest derby opponents.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"OK. You are thick, you'd have got a better stat after rnd1. I cannot believe you didn't use that.
. I did say you wouldn't understand before wasted my time....I guess I am the bigger fool.
.I so wish we were playing one trick Saints now instead of our arch rivals Wigan, who are consistently the toughest derby opponents.'"
Again, I have no clue what you’re referring to with the first two sentences.
And would that be ‘one trick Saints’ who are top of the league and battered Warrington 12-30 and ‘toughest derby opponents’ Wigan who Warrington beat? Absolutely hilarious yet again.
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| Haven't you got that life yet.yawn yawn.
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| Quote ="primroseandblue"Haven't you got that life yet.yawn yawn.'"
It serves me right for banter with what comes across as an inbetweener.
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