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So drilling this down further, your concern is then they'd be in the proverbial too. What's your point?

- What happens if we drop to Wilderspool like crowds

My understanding is that we're a £4m p.a. business. A lot of that turnover is based on our average attendance of 10k. If that halved we'd have an issue I suspect. Again, I'm not sure what business can sensibly legislate for losing half its customers overnight. Apple Inc currently has more cash in the bank than Poland. If mugs like me stopped giving them £1k a year buying gadgets they'd also be screwed.

- The way non ST holders are treated.

As mentioned earlier, I've had a season ticket for years. The main advantages are:-

a) Its cheaper
b) I don't have to take money out on match days to get in
c) I don't have to buy tickets for games that may sell out
c) I get discount at the club shop

Which of the above do you think should be available to non ST holders?

As I said earlier, your wider point works for me (if not others). I'm just not sure how it applies specifically to WW based on how we are run at present.

Am I correct in saying the RFL already bailed them out by buying the stadium pre season, hense them not being penalised by the RFL for essentially going bust.

It's being reported that Bradford borrowed £700k from the RFL . They didn't make many (if any) of the agreed repanyments, and as such the RFL agreed to pay £1.2M for odsall, 700k as a repayment and £500k back to the club. It looks a sound move by the RFL.

If you were cynical it could look like the RFL asked for their owed moneys back in full as part of the sale, that pressures the club into liquidation, they own a prime RL stadium to lease to the new 2013 club, In the meantime Bradford offer long term deals to players and put out press releases about minor blips and long term plans to make them more attractive to a buyer.

4) they made an enormous cockup with the Iestyn Harris affair which I think cost several hundred thousand pounds.
5) they don't appear to have much non-rugby income, very unlike Warrington which makes loads of non-matchday use of the HJ.

For me the RFL should not be bailing out any of these clubs.

London, for example, should have been shut down years ago They are a complete non entity in this competition and barr one or two years have largely been the whipping boys.

why are you changing the subject?

Im not im just commenting on what others have said.

Thats how forums work.

The RFL made a business loan, recovered their outlay in 12 months and profited by having a big stadium to lease. Your mortgage broker works on the same principal to "bail you out".

A big stadium to lease to who?

More like selling it to a property developer once some form of planning permission has been granted.

My point is they are making a profit from the Bradford deal rather than bailing them out. But you knew that. [i#SammutYoureAJinx[/i

And you obviously cant read. I said attendances have barley changed since we moved to the HJ. And as a season ticket holder for 40 years, I think I attended rather a lot of games at Wilderspool thanks mate.

looks like a sell out for saints game,south stand already sold out ,good job im a--> s-t holder

All sports clubs offer discounts on season tickets. I don't think it shows disrespect to supporters who just pick their game and pay on the gate. I cannot conceive of a sensible business policy that would entail charging less for those who pay match-by-match than for those prepared to commit and give the club some advance cash flow.

The real lesson here is to work to ensure that the club's profit and loss account stays in the black each year. As others have said, in the case of the Bulls it's probably a combination of accumulated losses caused by spending to the full cap for too long without sufficient off-the-field income to keep them in profit.

Considering all the glory hunting supporters at Bradford have disappeared the average attendance during 2011 was 14,715 and it was 12,736 in 2005 when they last won SL.

Don't understand your point?

I can't see many similarities between ourselves and the Bulls. The Bulls led the way in the Super league era, increasing crowds and bringing in big names, not many were able to compete with them during their glory years, whilst progress both on an off the field for the Wire was a gradual process. The big differences we now own our own ground that generates income, not draining finance like the Bulls. We haven't had a Iyestin (sp) Harris type saga which basically screwed the Bulls. We are well managed and have a major financial backer, although like any sports club owner their future involvement can not be guaranteed.

A question for Colin were you one of the previous life members at Wilderspool?

Everyone has a choice to buy a season ticket, not all want or can afford it or will pick their games. No big deal really.

No you're not. You're giving an opinion. As both Seb and myself have said Bradford were stuffed by the Iestyn Harris Affair and a substantial percentage of Warrington's income is from non-rugby activities. You cannot compare us with Bradford.
I would also add that I am currently not a season ticket holder. I was in 2010, but last year and this I simply can't get to enough home games to justify buying one. That doesn't mean that the club doesn't look after me, it simply means that if I want to go to one of the bigger games at the HJ then I have to be smart and order my ticket in good time. I have always found that the staff have looked after my interests, after all it's in their best interest to keep me happy.

Correct me if i'm wrong ,but my memory of Bradford is of a team that for many years finished bottom of the league or thereabouts. Weren't they only made into a top team to suit Sky & the Superleague era with a view to Bradford/Leeds/Saints & Wigan expected to stay at the top of the pile for the foreseeable future ?

Just a few points.

I'm no Alan Sugar, but, this club is on the up!
We have an excellent current squad, we're starting to challenge REGULARLY for silverwear, and we have good youngsters coming through. All boding well for the future. I'd say that's going to pretty much assure we get healthy attendances, which means great turnover.
We see plenty of people (on NON match days) walking round the town in the club's leisure wear/kit, which would suggest our marketing dept. are on the ball.
We have a lifelong fan (and Warringtonian) as our benefactor, who's making more money than you can shake a stick at. I'll confidently predict that he's going nowhere.
We currently have the best coach the club's had in over 30 years. I can't see us going into "serious decline", anytime soon, SO, come the fateful day when Mr Smith eventually does leave (not for a very long time, please), I'd imagine his replacement will be of similar stature.

And finally. Colin. I've said this before. Have you EVER posted anything positive about our club. All I ever read from you is doom and gloom. Did you ever play a Scottish undertaker in Dad's Army? No....he'd be more upbeat.

not an expansion club...massive crowds .....m62 corridor tick all the boxes dont they....?

who looks at finances

Doesn't every professional sports club do this regards discount for the ST holders?

What's your point?



Who's being punished?



Who we disrespecting?

Exactly I dont have a ST due to 3 young kids and wife working funny shifts so I go when I can I dont think £18.50 is exactly a rip off if I recall its one of the cheapest tickets in the league, even widnes are charging £20 to warch that shower of poop

I've just re-read the whole thread and can't work out whether this is a Colin Fishwick wind up, or if he's a depressive, or if he's just talking out of his rear end. He wants to try a round trip of 260 miles and then pay for a ticket for as home game, then he might have something to whinge about. I really can't see where he's coming from. It's been pointed out that £18.50 is a the lower end of SL admission prices and that a good percentage of our income is from non RL related activities, but he's chosen to ignore the facts. Has he ever made a positive post?

this whole thread has taken an age to read and the only conclusion i can make from it is... colin your talking e, there is no comparison, wire are managing to stay afloat, make money & compete on the pitch despite times of austerity, bratfud on the other hand have had numerous long standing financial problems which have come home to roost! the lesson to learn if any is that different clubs approach issues of finance in different ways and that ours seems to working (good work neil dowson) and long may it continue!