On a positive note hiku looks quality and can make any winger look good!!

Apart from that and two points not many positives to take from the game currie did not look right after he was down for a while, in attack we look as dangerous as Steven Hawkins with an uzi! Out try's were more down to individuals creating the trys and too often on last play there was clearly no plan!! I cannot understand how the team was unable to build on the last two wins we were not world beaters in them but started to look like they were up for it!!

I think we miss gidley a lot more than we realise and we will need to bring in a half as Patton brown and ratchford are not capable of filling his roll in the side pattonnmore down to experience which I'm hoping will come in time which he has

We all know that Wire should be in a better position than this. But it is what it is and we have 7 of the biggest games coming up for years. Playing in Finals and Semi-Finals is easy in comparison. It's frightening ... injuries to key players, man sent off after 10 minutes etc. Got to be positive and go for it ... no time for whingers now.

Dec Patton has won us the last two matches with his kicking game...

Most tries in rugby league are down to individual efforts. We look way better without Gidley. He is a very poor decision maker at half back. I thought we looked quite solid tonight. Certainly seen games where we looked clueless. Don't think fair to say that tonight. It's interesting very few comments when we win. The usual whingers still having to find only negatives. Getting boring now.

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That does not make sense, your whinging about whinging, better to say nothing then hey, as for myself if there is something to be positive about i will so.

Negatives:
- Still not fluid enough in attack
- whoever came up with the game plan to rush out at Joe Mellor needs to have a word with themselves.
- Ben Currie's knee.

Positives:
- Peta Hiku and that right hand edge finally look threatening. Brown / Hughes / Hiku / Russell - looked ok.
- Pattons short kicking game.
- Defence, Defence, Defence. 10 points, 10 points and 6 points is a good return.

Really like Hiku, look forward to seeing him next season, also glad they took Currie off, no point him doing any damge to his knee, he will be needed in more important games.

you seriously thought we looked better without Gidley ........

jesus.........

I have no words.....

Widnes are a shambles of a side and we stone cold struggled to unlock their defence.....

a little tip..... we beat Leigh by 50 points with Gidley in it ....... then we went to Wigan and beat them.

Tonight that was an absolute desperate display of dreadful rugby......

guess who was missing....

So what effect on the season to date would you say your positivity has had?

Perhaps you too haven't been positive enough?

Currie is just another level. First touch he drove 12 - 15m from a tap 20. Second touch he pulled a great pass out to put Atkins away down the touchline. Better vision and execution than we've seen from most of our halves this year.

The chase back to catch the Widnes centre after he had injured his knee was another highlight. i hope he has the time to play his way in to the World Cup squad.

Over recent years i have seen Widnes come up with the same ploy, push at the scrum & get the ball back.Why don't we try that? I am thankful that after the hour we started to score a few points but we need to be thankful that Widnes were worse than us. Why the same plays, side to side with a kick to the corner for a conversion that rarely comes off,when Hiku showed more enterprise with a kick to the posts that left the Wire flat footed ?
At least the pitch looked good.

I'm pretty sure I saw Patton revers kick for Brown under the posts. Last week grubbered Currie through. neither of those have been formula plays.

We'l be fine. The biggest concern of the night came from CoughitupDennis when he admitted that when a side plays to SL standard then his team can't compete.

Have to agree with this. Gidley certainly makes his fair share of mistakes, but one thing he does very well is to take the line on. That commits opposition players and provides small gaps for support runners and hence opportunities near the line. When he first joined us he was also quick enough to break the line himself near the opposition try line. I think he has been a very good signing for us, just a pity he is now too slow. We missed him tonight despite Patton's kicking.

I thought Philbins contribution in the 2nd half was very good. His development this season is one of the few positives we can carry forward to next year.

I also have to agree , however I feel we looked so much better attacking with someone on the right side who can actually pass to the right .
Hiku looked like he had so much more time on the ball getting the quick passes from Brown .

Philbin has come on leaps & bounds & i must say i like Wilde too who has gone on loan at London.

Don't be silly, last nights game was a nothing game for your team and you will have no problems in the middle 8's. You hammered us (Leigh) the other week and it should be us that should be frightened of relegation.n

Positives for me (after a dreadful first half)

We managed a win always welcome v Widnes, I thought Sims had a stormer, but, why get involved he should laugh at kind of provocation, Smith looks a decent prospect and Hiku looks like a decent signing

I agree with you Uncle, Sims has played well for a good part of the season but why does he keep doing this nonsensical tough guy thing. Tough guys just laugh off silly provocation which makes a better more intimidating point to the intimidator. Very impressed with what Hiku has shown so far. Not sure about Smith yet, yes he is still very young but can be a bit predictable close to the line but that is probably just down to lack of experience, lets hope he continues do develop.

We used to have a system where ,usually in the second half, we had 2 hookers on the field together as in the days of Monaghan & Higham/ Clark & Higham & it was always very effective at scattering defences & led to many a try. It seems strange we don't use that idea anymore & i'm sure playing alongside the more experienced Clark would bring on both Dwyer & Smith.

Did I imagine Lineham pulling Sims hair? Nearly spat out my ovaltine!

Not a good advert for Super League, but probably expectable from two mediocre sides having a go

Good point Archy, although I am sure we have had 2 hookers on at the same times in some recent games and it has as you say added a dimension to our play in a positive manner.

Nothing silly about it....Widnes put two very good chances on the floor vs Wire. Had they have stuck thinks might have been very different. Fitness told in the end, that is all we have to go on. Play is very ropey still.