Good to see a season buys a coach time..Unlike 6 games..

I said a treble buys a coach time. Plus it was clear that Leeds were losing 3 major players from their 17.

It's perfectly reasonable to be looking to replace Smith after the worst start to a season in 141 years, especially when the manner of defeat is so hopeless.

Be 7 after next weeks rout.Will you still be saying give Smith time?

Wow how fickle are some of your supporters its not about glory all the time its supporting your team through good and bad, try being a fan of my team some of you really need to give your heads a shake!

Oh we have been where you are for many years don't worry. But expectations are likely to be and should be different given the amount of money that has gone into assembling this side. Plus remember we have won nothing since 2012 so the glory hasn't been there for a while.

Well you have a right to voice yourself but trying to incite a protest isn't something I agree with.
I think there is enough display on the pitch with my team to suggest we have a problem.
I'm very sure the board knows the extent more than most in here...."Maggie Maggie Maggie, out out out" I can assure you does not work.

Our worst in (fairly) recent times was a run of five losses, including a truly pathetic surrender to Hudds in a CC semi back in 06. The coach - whose name escapes me - kept his job and led the team to a GF win in 2007.

Incite a protest are you joking have you read what I wrote its called sarcasm anyway when did you became the moral compass. I'm not looking to cause trouble at the ground I just want people to take a deep breath remember why they go to the games in the first place, to support there team. It may get worse before it gets better but it will get better

Jack.

Sorry. Did I say worse. That should have been a lot worse haha

They also lost 6 league games on the bounce and won 1 of 10 last year. You've invalidated your own point, which is that the 'winning' clubs you keep citing, being Wigan, Saints and Leeds, wouldn't show sentiment, or loyalty or whatever you want to call it: Leeds did EXACTLY that last year, resisting the calls of fans to react and sack McDermott. This year, with arguably a worse squad than they entered 2016, they are benefiting from that decision.

I think there's another lesson here: some of our fans arrogantly think we have money to burn, so can buy whatever or whoever we want to solve a problem. It's not that simple. If it were, then Leeds as the richest club in SL could have taken this easy route last year. The board have to weigh up whether the bigger risk is sticking with Smith, or taking a chance on whatever the best alternative is. None of us know what that best other option is, so it's impossible for us to take a real decision on whether it's right to stick with Smith or not. I'll trust the board (of directors, not this message board!) to make that call.

I didn't think our support was bad (numbers wise) given the state we are in mind you its a different perspective being in a crowd as opposed to looking at it. Talking of which you were hardly packing them in up to the rafters in the home section better luck next time now you've had a big win.

Sorry Mark I usually enjoy reading your posts but cant fathom this one. Why can't you believe you went aren't you a supporter it's only a trip to St Helens not the Ukraine.

Sure I'm disappointed, but, do "I feel like a complete mug" not really it's a bad time for us and if anything I thought it was marginally better than last week at Leigh which was IMO a more inept performance although both are unacceptable.

Others on here have every right to vote with their feet if they wish but it's not for me and I'm not trying to come across as a self righteous 'super fan because I'm not but my suggestion is we as a bunch of supporters should vote with our feet getting to games not staying away and get behind the team during the match.

Boo at the end if you want polite applause if you want (neither are for me btw) but while we are playing get behind the team in numbers and vocally what's the worst that could happen?

Peaceful protest is how we change things in this country. Whether it's at the ballot box or the turnstile it's everyone's right to register their disapproval and that includes staying away.

Moran is a business man, rugby is part of his business and we are his consumers. I'd expect any successful business man to listen to his customers first, and his heart and his friends a very distant second.

Sit in protests and staying away aren't my thing but I don't blame anyone for doing either if it's an earnest expression of concern for the club, and an attempt to bring about positive change.

Some of these comments make me sad

I don't disagree with this or those that choose to stay away, each to their own mine's a different approach on the basis that there seems to be a suggestion that the players aren't playing for TS, well that maybe true or it might just be a case of "send three and fourpence..." Well why not try and convince them to play for us and if not for us then for themselves and a bit of personal pride if that is what is missing.

Yes it might be a bit naïve on my part but if I'm going to the game why not give it a go, the players at the end of this week's game and last stood on the half-way and shuffled across expecting the bird they didn't know what to do even after the game had finished. One way or another this season we've got them and they've got us, they need to know what they are playing for and together we might turn it around.

As an aside last night I saw a kerfuffle at the end of the game at the back of our end Wire v Wire (two middle aged blokes v half a dozen young shavers)whilst not a major incident there's no need for that kind of bell endery poor form all round

Sorry for the Churchillian rant it's not my place but I'm fed up negativity, rumour mongering and a sense that there are plenty of our own that are too eager to moan (you've every right btw ha ha )

But as a businessman, in a rugby context, have his "investments " been value for money, and has his product been value for money.

Or maybe Warrington is just Moran's pastime, win, lose, or draw, does he have the same perspective on it as day to day fans.

Do you know what. At this time the players need our full support. They are clearly low on confidence and need to supported by us!

Be careful what you wish for. Mr Moran and his chequebook has been the life blood of our club for the last 8 or 9 years. It would only take him to walk away and we could quickly be facing a Bradford Bulls scenario.

that proper s h 1 t e could probably give the current team a game surely?

There were loads of good young players emerging in that side: Mike Gregory, Andy Gregory, Mark Roberts, Bob Jackson, Mark Forster, Ronnie Duane, Paul Bishop and Billy McGinty emerging in that side and Bob Eccles was in the middle of his prolific try scoring seasons.

I would guess Ken Kelly, John Bevan, Steve Hesford were the past its and the journeymen were Hussein M'Barki, Paul Younane?

Well, thanks to the quirks of the fixture list I will be going on Saturday. The reason is simple: my 4 year old little girl wants to go, and this is the first home afternoon game of the season. She went to her first match with daddy and grandad last year, seeing the last minute win V Cas and has been asking for more since (technically she went to Keighley in the cup at 6 months, but when she wasn't sleeping she was feeding, so it doesn't really count!).

So for her, I hope the players and fans turn up and both do their best.

She also helps me keep some kind of perspective on things these days: there's more to life than whether we win or lose, but equally I want her to get the same enjoyment out of having a club to call her own that I have had.

She's also 2 from 2 in games she's been, and the last good luck card I've got left to play this year, but that's got nothing to do with why she's going, honest

Unfortunately, the knuckle-draggers behind the posts were more interested in singing about the IRA.

What else have they got to sing about

Brexit? Opera? If it wasn't for the fact that they don't have a brain cell between them, we could turn away games into a Radio 4 road-show.

Moran is probably a bigger day-to-day fan than a significant number of those who have populated the south stand during the successful years. Its not every SL "owner" who insist on standing on the terraces to watch the team on a match day rather than from the corporate boxes.

Recent games have seen "disagreements" amongst the fans over whether to support or chastise the players. Everybody is entitled to there opinion, BUT when you try and stop others from expressing their opposing view, you've just lost your right.

Something IS wrong in the current team. Is it managerial authority, is it confidence, is it arrogance ("I'm not losing my place no matter how badly I play"icon_wink.gif. I dont know, and the vast majority of experts on the keyboards dont really know. That said, you have the right to put forward and debate your theories.

If Smith has lost the dressing room, and as others have said we have players not performing, should we sack the players rather than the coach ?

As I approach the big 5 0 Ive seen the team in many forms. Underperforming, overperforming, successful, on the brink of desperation. Having money thrown at it is not an indication that the current team must therefore be worse than the years when we really were e. The game is a different animal these days, and yes we have evolved with time, thats how were ended up with silverware.

At the Hull game, will I be critical of anybody who chooses to stay away, No; anybody who decides to stage a protest, No; anybody who decided to walk away with 20 minutes left if the result looks like going the same way; No. But neither will I be supportive of those who decide to over zealously argue with the person next to them about" whether Matty Russell should have booted that ball down Winwick Road".

Is it tough? Yes. Does it hurt? Yes. Is it, has it always been, and will it forever be part and parcel of being a rugby fan? Absolutely

Well said mikej, couldn't agree more.

It looks like the coaching staff have a stay of execution so we go again, and I'll try and summon the hope and resilience that got me through watching Don Duffy put on the sacred primrose and blue.

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Great post mikej

The other difference between Simon Moran and the rest of the fans is he has to deal with the realities whereas everyone else who is just a critic, doesn't.

Eg Michael Monaghan is a popular choice for next coach on here, but what if Simon Moran has given him a call and MM said "cheers mate, I'm really settled living in France now so it's not the right move for me at the moment mate." He's not going to come and post that on the internet so people will carry on saying why aren't we looking at Monaghan he's the obvious choice. Also if he did appoint him and the club had a so-so couple of seasons, finishing 6th, 5th, that might look attractive from here but at that point the same people that championed Monaghan on here would say we have moved backwards from the TS era when we were making Grand Finals, why did we not go for a more established coach.

Also Simon Moran will have to deal with the constraints of contracts from players and coaches not only at Warrington but of anybody he wants to bring in. And I bet it irritates him if he hears fans say "the club has money so why don't we sort it out and get X, it's not like we're short of cash" when what they mean is, we expect that as Simon Moran is well off, if the club needs extra money he's going to keep putting his hand in his pocket for more. If any of the critics have the resources to offer to buy Simon Moran out then they can make him an offer?