It may be for you guys but not for many of us. At half time and beyond me and a goodly crowd around me seriously thought we were going to lose that match. In fact, the prospect of being nilled at home by Wire was looking decidedly possible. So you guys might have thought it was obviously Groundhog Day but not all of us did!

You brought a great crowd btw. Fantastic.

The biggest fault at Warrington is the type of players we buy.Our squad has far too many forwards in it.The result is that when players are injured,other players are being played out of position.Riley is a winger,not a fb,Johnston is a 2nd rower,not a centre,Monaghan is a hooker,not a hb and the list goes on over the past few seasons.

The club needs sorting out from players who dont give a toss,to players who are injury prone,to the manager who is there just to fill a position,to the board that is just a clique (Hoyle,Broomhead?) to the inept running of the souvenir shop.The club is a shambles from top to bottom and will win nothing with the present status quo.Another defeat awaits next saturday.

And finally,well done to Jimmy Lowes for just about crushing the last remaining bits of confidence that Kevin Penney had,by taking him off with 10 minutes to go.All he needs is a decent centre inside him and a defensive coach to teach him.For his own good,the sooner KP goes to Saints or Wigan,the better he will become as a player.

I can't disagree with any of that the way we ran out of steam in the last 20 was alarming..

Another thing Monaghan really needs to shape up or ship out...
There was One particular moment when we were still 2 points in front and after being put under pressure we made it into the Saints half...
On the 5th tackle Monaghan put up a nothing bomb instead of drilling the ball into Saints corner and making them work hard to get back up the field...

Indeed some of the kicking was aimless in the second half and chaseless as well.

I thought similar myself combined with a poor mentality. I've not seen a collapse like that in years.

this is why warrington will never win anything, they have no composure and dont no how to handle a comanding lead - as micky higham said "Saints didnt win the game, warrington lost it"

saints did not look the unbeatable team we've seen in the last years, saints wont be beating any teams 40+

i thought wire played very well the best iv seen of them for a long time something is missing in the halfbacks though its games like that were alfie langer would of turned the magic on, its the first of many games and to be honest i dont think anyone would of beat saints in the last 20 . maybe you needed another freindly game.. but lots of positives well done wire good luck next week.

Really? We lost by 6 tries to 2. We are further from ever against a Saints team who didn't have to do too much last night.

I've come across some dim people on here, but you are up there.

SEGREGATION!

I think you'll find that both happened.



I will have you a bet of 10 english pounds that sometime this season we score 40+ points against somebody.

I think SaintsFan is on the button. Saints got a roll on and we aided them with turning over the ball far too cheaply.

It's easy to disregard Saints' ability at utilising momentum and say we didn't look fit, they are masters of getting upfield from the play the ball. I would love to see the amount of tackes and completion rate. /the gane is about momentum, Saints got a

I would go as far to say we lost the game in the first half, with the amount of posession and position we had we should have gone in further ahead than we did. A couple of areas we do seem to repeating errors is concentration from restarts and unforced errors.

All-in-all I am quite confused, we looked composed in defence in the first half, yet completely the opposite in the second half.

Never simple following Warrington.

Our goal line defence in the first half also looked a little worrysome but we were in those instances aided by some uncharacteristically poor handling from saints, saints blew at least 3 (if not more) clear cut scoring chances that they ordinarily would not have done in that first half.

Warrington will not have a successful season (and by successful I am aiming low by meaning a challenge cup semi final and/or at least two wins in the playoffs) unless they can learn to defend close to their own try line.

I'll bet him one million pounds!

It was all about mistakes at crucial times; some by our players, one by the referee.

When things started to go wrong, I thought the mental belief started to drain, possibly linked to the fatigue that crept in due to the fact we had little possession from about 60 minutes onwards.

..and it was long way from being a pathetic effort. There is a lot Warrington can take out of this game.

1st half yes, 2nd half i stand by my view that the effort was pathetic.

Think I was watching a different game than man of the posters on here. I am with Geordie (different thread) there are many of positives to be taken from last night.
"Lack of effort" eh? There was plenty of effort, many things to be improved upon but we will win many more this season than we loose. I am usually mortified when we loose a derby, and yes I am frustrated but also I am encouraged, our pack was awsome before it tired. Get a grip.

Funnily enough I seem to recall them going 14-0 up in the second half.

There was no lack of effort on show. I think composure, fatigue and decision making was more of a problem. And the little fact that Skintellins started to put their own play in order.

but thats the problem. Its a recurring theme and not one that should happen when you have forced a side into defending way more than you have been doing.

exactly...it should have been saints tiring after all the defending they did...but they just got stronger and stronger....like muhammed ali they just took everything we could throw at them and then just put us on our ar$e

I think we threw all we had too soon given the pressure to break the voodoo rather than biding time like Saints do so well.

think we missed agood oppurtinty to get apollo perellini as fitness coach
saints always manage to keep going for the eighty

Not really, how could wolves compete with a very lucurative deal in Dubai [size=75(?)[/size

And...they did alright without him anyway

Compare the game at the beginning of 2008 with the one at the weekend it wasn't too bad. We went on to put a bucketful past Cats shortly after.

Are you comparing the two Saints games?

Last year was 6 tries to 5, and we had Bridge and King injured early on IIRC.

Personally I think last year was a better performance.